View Poll Results: Prayer in School?
Prayer shouldn't be allowed
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36.84%
Prayer should be allowed
10
52.63%
I don't care either way
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10.53%
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Prayer in School?
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Prayer in School?
I personally think that there should be some type of prayer in school....maybe not a set "prayer", but a few minutes were each student has the option of saying a prayer in their prefered religion.
I've always had the veiw....."As long as there are tests in school, there will be prayer."
I've always had the veiw....."As long as there are tests in school, there will be prayer."
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Though I am certainly not a religious person in the conventional sense, I would literally fight to retain the right to pray for those who desire to.
With that said; !!NO!! No 'special time' should be set aside in the scheduled school day to accommodate it.
FWIW.
With that said; !!NO!! No 'special time' should be set aside in the scheduled school day to accommodate it.
FWIW.
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Pray if you want - but why set aside time at school? Do it before school, during lunch, recess, between classes, after school, whenever.... But don't make it a requirement that every student partake.
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I guess I mudded up my intentions of this thread already
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I'm not suggesting that the gov't step in and say that "there must be X minutes to pray, or not to pray".
I was just curious as to the views of prayer in school, and wether it should or shouldn't be allowed.
.I'm not suggesting that the gov't step in and say that "there must be X minutes to pray, or not to pray".
I was just curious as to the views of prayer in school, and wether it should or shouldn't be allowed.
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Originally posted by HerbertKornfeld
Pray if you want - but why set aside time at school? Do it before school, during lunch, recess, between classes, after school, whenever.... But don't make it a requirement that every student partake.
Pray if you want - but why set aside time at school? Do it before school, during lunch, recess, between classes, after school, whenever.... But don't make it a requirement that every student partake.
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This debate gets mischaracterized almost everytime.
There has never been a movement to ban prayer in public schools. People always have been, and will always be free to pray whenever they wish.
The movement is to end/not allow a specific portion of the school day to be sanctioned for prayer. That is, there shouldn't be a five minute period at the beginning of the school day where the teacher tells everybody to shut up so that people in the class can pray. Although it is often emotionally characterized as 'banning school prayer' by opponents, it most certainly is not.
I am completely for this latter movement. It is not appropriate for schools to suggest that students pray at a specific time. It is none of their business how people go about living their faith (or lack thereof).
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There has never been a movement to ban prayer in public schools. People always have been, and will always be free to pray whenever they wish.
The movement is to end/not allow a specific portion of the school day to be sanctioned for prayer. That is, there shouldn't be a five minute period at the beginning of the school day where the teacher tells everybody to shut up so that people in the class can pray. Although it is often emotionally characterized as 'banning school prayer' by opponents, it most certainly is not.
I am completely for this latter movement. It is not appropriate for schools to suggest that students pray at a specific time. It is none of their business how people go about living their faith (or lack thereof).
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Originally posted by HerbertKornfeld
But don't make it a requirement that every student partake.
But don't make it a requirement that every student partake.
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Originally posted by superrangerman2002
I never suggested to make a requirement to pray, just to have the OPTION to, and not be persecuted for it by school adminstration.
I never suggested to make a requirement to pray, just to have the OPTION to, and not be persecuted for it by school adminstration.
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Whistler does that five minute period exist? It didn't where I went to school. I don't think it should. School is for learning like church is for praying. No need to intertwine the two.
I disagree with the people that are trying to remove any mention of god in the pledge, money, the courthouse. I choose not to believe in christianity, but I don't need the world around me to change because I don't.
I disagree with the people that are trying to remove any mention of god in the pledge, money, the courthouse. I choose not to believe in christianity, but I don't need the world around me to change because I don't.
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Originally posted by haulingboat
Whistler does that five minute period exist? It didn't where I went to school. I don't think it should. School is for learning like church is for praying. No need to intertwine the two.
I disagree with the people that are trying to remove any mention of god in the pledge, money, the courthouse. I choose not to believe in christianity, but I don't need the world around me to change because I don't.
Whistler does that five minute period exist? It didn't where I went to school. I don't think it should. School is for learning like church is for praying. No need to intertwine the two.
I disagree with the people that are trying to remove any mention of god in the pledge, money, the courthouse. I choose not to believe in christianity, but I don't need the world around me to change because I don't.
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If somebody was being obtrusive about praying (ya know, picking up a snake or screaming in tongues) I could see how they would be punished.
I do agree that students shouldn't be 'persecuted' for sitting in their desks with head bowed and hands folded. To do so implies a serious lack of respect for personal dignity. I think these types of situations are rare, but easily grab headlines.
I can also see where teachers or administrators can go overboard though. In this sue-happy society allowing a student to pray could be seen as sanctioning their prayer and some parent could get pissed and cause mountains of grief because of the 'mental anguish' their precious child endured. I would bet most administrators in these situations are trying to err on the side of caution rather than acting out of a belief that school prayer is wrong. Most, but not all.
Whistler
I do agree that students shouldn't be 'persecuted' for sitting in their desks with head bowed and hands folded. To do so implies a serious lack of respect for personal dignity. I think these types of situations are rare, but easily grab headlines.
I can also see where teachers or administrators can go overboard though. In this sue-happy society allowing a student to pray could be seen as sanctioning their prayer and some parent could get pissed and cause mountains of grief because of the 'mental anguish' their precious child endured. I would bet most administrators in these situations are trying to err on the side of caution rather than acting out of a belief that school prayer is wrong. Most, but not all.
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Originally posted by Waxy
What's wrong with the other 16 or 17 hours in a day?
Waxy
What's wrong with the other 16 or 17 hours in a day?
Waxy
Which brings me back to the title of this poll, "Prayer in school?"
I merely offered my suggestions and nothing more....and now every one on the thread thinks its a gov't conspiracy of some sort, and some even think that its already implemented...all I can say is WOW.
I admit that I have mudded this poll up, as per my previous statement, the intention of this poll is to see the views of prayers in school (whatever, whenever they may be), and wether they should be allowed, and nothing more.