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Originally posted by haulingboat
All right whistler and waxy what abou tThe National Cancer Foundation? They provide everyday and live success.
Government is not the only provider.
All right whistler and waxy what abou tThe National Cancer Foundation? They provide everyday and live success.
Government is not the only provider.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by whistler
[B]Or do they merely redefine 'need' and say those people don't need help?
I cannot promise that ABC will not be corrupt any more than you can promise your government will not be corrupt.
[B]Or do they merely redefine 'need' and say those people don't need help?
I cannot promise that ABC will not be corrupt any more than you can promise your government will not be corrupt.
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From: Calgary Canada
Originally posted by haulingboat
The Red Cross
Food for the Hungry
Fedration for the blind
Foundation for missing childs
The Red Cross
Food for the Hungry
Fedration for the blind
Foundation for missing childs
These charities could not function, at least not nearly at the level they do know, without substantial government subsidies.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by haulingboat
[B]
That begs the question then - What's the point of this whole thing?
Waxy
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Originally posted by whistler
Or do they merely redefine 'need' and say those people don't need help?
I cannot promise that ABC will not be corrupt any more than you can promise your government will not be corrupt.
Or do they merely redefine 'need' and say those people don't need help?
I cannot promise that ABC will not be corrupt any more than you can promise your government will not be corrupt.
Waxy
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Originally posted by Waxy
If it's anything like the Canadian Cancer Society, it's HEAVILY goverment subsidized.
Waxy
If it's anything like the Canadian Cancer Society, it's HEAVILY goverment subsidized.
Waxy
Government subsidies and 100% government funding are two diffrent things.
I'll ask you two again. How would you stop the current abuse?
It's ok that you do'nt agree with my solution. Do you think that a problem exists? If so how do you propose that we fix it?
I have offered and defended my position.
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Originally posted by whistler
So the answer is no.
But you think they could if the government just lowered its taxes?
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So the answer is no.
But you think they could if the government just lowered its taxes?
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Originally posted by Waxy
That begs the question then - What's the point of this whole thing?
Waxy
That begs the question then - What's the point of this whole thing?
Waxy
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From: Calgary Canada
Originally posted by haulingboat
Government subsidies and 100% government funding are two diffrent things.
I'll ask you two again. How would you stop the current abuse?
It's ok that you do'nt agree with my solution. Do you think that a problem exists? If so how do you propose that we fix it?
I have offered and defended my position.
Government subsidies and 100% government funding are two diffrent things.
I'll ask you two again. How would you stop the current abuse?
It's ok that you do'nt agree with my solution. Do you think that a problem exists? If so how do you propose that we fix it?
I have offered and defended my position.
There's a problem, but I don't think it's a problem that can be "fixed". Period. Utopia will never happen, it's impossible IMHO. All we can do is deal with the problem as best we can.
There will always be those that are "losers in life", no matter what we do. We can enforce the laws already on the books and do our best to curb abuse. We need to start addressing the root problems - economy, poverty, social problems (education, addictions, etc) More proactive help, helping people to help themselves, is the answer IMHO. That being said, not everyone can be helped, and not everyone wants to be helped.
We'll never prevent abuse.
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Did we ever agree on the level of abuse in the current system? I agree that there is some, but is it so widespread that the system needs to be completely overhauled? I don't believe so.
But if does need to be reworked, do we design a system that catches 100% of those in need and in return lets some abusers through? Or do we design a system that screens out 100% of the abusers and lets some of those in need go without the neccessary assistance?
But if does need to be reworked, do we design a system that catches 100% of those in need and in return lets some abusers through? Or do we design a system that screens out 100% of the abusers and lets some of those in need go without the neccessary assistance?
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I left out a question: Do you think they could help everybody in the country if asked?
Of course the answer is no. They would have to hold a fund-raiser. I would hate for my fate to be determined on whether the hospital sells enough magazine subscriptions.
I also left out another question: Do people not pass the application process? If so, why? What if there was no application process to weed out certain people? What if they had to be treated no matter what?
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Of course the answer is no. They would have to hold a fund-raiser. I would hate for my fate to be determined on whether the hospital sells enough magazine subscriptions.
I also left out another question: Do people not pass the application process? If so, why? What if there was no application process to weed out certain people? What if they had to be treated no matter what?
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Originally posted by Waxy
I don't know how many times I can respond to the same question with the same answer.
There's a problem, but I don't think it's a problem that can be "fixed". Period. Utopia will never happen, it's impossible IMHO. All we can do is deal with the problem as best we can.
There will always be those that are "losers in life", no matter what we do. We can enforce the laws already on the books, and do our best to curb abuse, but we'll never prevent it.
Waxy
I don't know how many times I can respond to the same question with the same answer.
There's a problem, but I don't think it's a problem that can be "fixed". Period. Utopia will never happen, it's impossible IMHO. All we can do is deal with the problem as best we can.
There will always be those that are "losers in life", no matter what we do. We can enforce the laws already on the books, and do our best to curb abuse, but we'll never prevent it.
Waxy
We have found the point of contention. You believe there is no hope. No solution to the problem. I believe there is and albeit not perfect it is a vast improvemnet over the current state of affairs.