Welcome to the real world, where every election has consequences. One vote 15 months ago is no panacea to undo decades of bureaucratic overreach once and for all, people need to pay attention and vote for what they want to see happen and not let a few urban centers drive national and state politics.

 

Fact in Vermont for a couple of years.

 

And in the communist state of libtard heaven, Kalifornia, they banned paper bags in favor of plastic, then back to paper, then back to plastic and now back to paper, all the bag manufacturers are happy is about the only thing it accomplished, which I'm sure Gaggin Newscum has a few cronies he helped with that...

@ATC Crazy AGREED!! "I'm sick of the USA citizen being forced to virtue signal to the rest of the world with expensive and unreliable emissions. China and India pollute more than the rest of the world combined."

was going to go on more but, not worth my time, the "sky is falling climate fear mongering" individuals are stuck in their religion of it even though big AL said we were going to all die what, 20, 30 yrs ago SMDH

 

Yep... blew my mind that I had to pay $0.10/bag at every store I went to when we got to CA last August... heck, some of the grocery markets even charge a nickel if we are using a buggy or a basket! Also, buying anything in a glass bottle from Walmart will automatically charge us the return costs, and we can only get that back by bring the glass bottles back to a Walmart! It's crazy that they charge so much more for everything than other states, but then find new things to charge on top of those higher prices! I guess it is expected though because it is CA... I was hoping for better roads though with all the taxes.... I was wrong about that too...

Also, there are good reasons for staying out of the large cities... smog being one of them.... not that we really have that anymore with all the emissions on our vehicles... costing us more, decreasing the longevity of the motors and increasing the consumption of fuel... none of it makes sense, but it puts money in the politicians pockets!

 

Hold up, you moved TO CA?

You ain't seen nothing yet how much corruption and waste is done with your tax dollars. Just wait til you find out where all the gas taxes actually go. The only thing keeping us here is elderly parents that need help, else I would have been gone about 20 years ago.

 

Don't worry, the illegal aliens he gave CDLs to will for sure keep their trucks' emission systems totally functional and compliant to the CARB rules that his cronies enforce on American citizens.

 

Try sitting next to my new F550 while it idles and burns DEF. 100x worse than anything from the late 70's.

If city people want to give up trucks, thats their choice. But dont force your emmisions BS on the rest of the country with clean air. Your smog, your problem. Not ours.

 

NO!!!! My wife took a contract job in CA at a school, so we are temporarily here. I am proudly a MS resident... that is also thinking of maybe relocating to FL... we enjoyed our contracts there, I'm just not a huge fan of the beaches or the costs of insurance there.... we made a lot of really good friends and found a church that we love and miss in FL though!

 

I understand why guys do deletes. I deleted my 2025, and then I undelete it because it became a stinky obnoxious machine.

These trucks are pretty freaking dialed and I’m very happy with my tuned and undeleted 2025

 

Kind of cool, maybe we can dial back the traps on gas engines.

Don’t get too excited, no “executive action” is law.

I have no idea how any manufacturer could foresee the possible changes - as we play ping-pong.

 

omg is that true. i'd rather be standing behind the pipes that were on my 1970 chevelle, ss454 with the ls 6 450 hp motor, or behind my former 64 vette ,

 

Interestingly Detroit Diesel implemented DEF in late 2009 with their DD series engines. In 2010 DEF became mandatory. This happened after 8 years of the Bush administration. Obama had nothing to do with this implementation. The DD series engines cranked out more horsepower, more torque, and got better MPGs than the previous 60 series engines. In fact, way better than any previous rendition of any diesel engine. The research, design, engineering and manufacturing teams of Detroit Diesel did not accomplished this in just a year and a half. DD knew it was coming a full decade ahead of time and they got on top of it. Caterpillar decided to get out of the transport business and concentrated on off road heavy equipment. International, as usual, was way behind on the tech curve. Mack/Volvo got caught up in the mid teens. What sucks is that the small diesel engine builders were content to just slap all the emission controls on old designs, resulting in poorer fuel economy, unreliability, and a whole sector of pickup truck drivers looking for someone to blame. If Detroit Diesel/John Deere/Penske can redesign an engine which meets emission standards, gets better MPGs, has bigger torque/HP numbers, and has a quarter million mile warranty then what is wrong with Ford/International, Chevy Duramax and Dodge/Cummins that they didn’t get it done? Laziness. How do I know all this? Retired truck driver with decades of driving, studying the industry, and had a seat at the table when our Fortune 500 company was specing out and ordering power units. Today, I’m retired and travel full time in my 350 6.8 gasser.

 

actually scotus ruled an obsma EO
On Obama care was law....

 

the changes are foreseeable as the emission regs and cart standards are phased in, years, sometimes a decade after the decisions are made. Corporations have no excuse.

 

No. No court has ever equated an executive order as "law" - nor can they. Upholding an EO is not the same thing as defining law, it simply confirms that the action, which is a procedural tool applicable to and confined to the executive branch only, was within the authority of the office and did not conflict with any existing laws or the Constitution.

Laws can only be passed by Congress. Congress can use laws to counteract or nullify an EO as part of the inherent system of checks and balances. An executive order cannot defy a law.