mechanics say I got the wrong engine?!?!
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mechanics say I got the wrong engine?!?!
Hey guys, I'm hoping someone has heard of this or can give me some info.
My oil pressure gauge was all the sudden going crazy so I took it to my mechanic to have him check it over and make sure it wasnt something serious. Well the sensor was bad so he went to get another from the dealership. I got the truck brand new in 2001 and its a 2001 model so he get the sensor for a 2001, but when he tries to install it the thing doesnt fit. They tried a few different ones from different 2001 engines and nothing fit. Then the parts guy at the dealership gets frustrated and actually drives down to the mecanics shop to take a look at it. Well it turns out it doesnt fit cause I have the engine that went in the 1997 F150?!?!?! I guess they are the same size but there are differences between them.
I'm not sure if there are HP differences or if the 2001 is better or what (eventhough I'm thinking a 2001 is better than a 1997 model due to 4 years of improvements).
Has anyone ever heard of a situation like this? Its really a problem cause even if one is just as good as the other its could turn into a part buying nighmare (such as its been).
ANY input would be GREATLY appreciated,
Thanks,
STEPHEN
My oil pressure gauge was all the sudden going crazy so I took it to my mechanic to have him check it over and make sure it wasnt something serious. Well the sensor was bad so he went to get another from the dealership. I got the truck brand new in 2001 and its a 2001 model so he get the sensor for a 2001, but when he tries to install it the thing doesnt fit. They tried a few different ones from different 2001 engines and nothing fit. Then the parts guy at the dealership gets frustrated and actually drives down to the mecanics shop to take a look at it. Well it turns out it doesnt fit cause I have the engine that went in the 1997 F150?!?!?! I guess they are the same size but there are differences between them.
I'm not sure if there are HP differences or if the 2001 is better or what (eventhough I'm thinking a 2001 is better than a 1997 model due to 4 years of improvements).
Has anyone ever heard of a situation like this? Its really a problem cause even if one is just as good as the other its could turn into a part buying nighmare (such as its been).
ANY input would be GREATLY appreciated,
Thanks,
STEPHEN
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Slight update. After talking with the mechanic it wasnt the sensor but rather the sensor housing that the sensor plugs into. It had developed a crack cause he tqed the sensor down to hard and he was replaceing the housing (free of charge). Its when he received the new housing and it was TOTALLY different than the original he pulled off and the new 2001 housing they sent wouldnt fit.....obviously cause its a 1997 engine with has a housing that was made spacifically for that year only.
ALSO - The engine in questions is a 5.4liter Triton
STEPHEN
ALSO - The engine in questions is a 5.4liter Triton
STEPHEN
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Yea, I've been searching online and noticed the 97 was 230 and the 01 was 260. The only thing is I wonder if they just used the 97 block but retained the 2001 internals??? Thats prob what the dealership would tell me....would that even be possible? Is there enough difference between the 2 blocks that the 2001 internals wouldnt work in the 97 block? Anyone know for sure?
I'm trying to get ALL my info straight before I go busting in there telling them they need to give me a new engine haha
Does anyone know what a stock 2001 5.4 Triton puts down to the wheels SAE corrected on a DynoJet??? Maybe I could make some pulls and do some comparing!!!
STEPHEN
I'm trying to get ALL my info straight before I go busting in there telling them they need to give me a new engine haha
Does anyone know what a stock 2001 5.4 Triton puts down to the wheels SAE corrected on a DynoJet??? Maybe I could make some pulls and do some comparing!!!
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Hi
sounds like a weird problem. espacially if you bought it new in 2001.
about rwhp. i have not had mine on a dyno but i used the G-Tech pro on it and i am getting 204hp at the wheels on average. It is a pretty acurate machine but not as accurate as a dyno.
Brian
by the way i dont know if tire diameter, or rear gear ratio makes a difference but it have 245/75/16, 3.73s
sounds like a weird problem. espacially if you bought it new in 2001.
about rwhp. i have not had mine on a dyno but i used the G-Tech pro on it and i am getting 204hp at the wheels on average. It is a pretty acurate machine but not as accurate as a dyno.
Brian
by the way i dont know if tire diameter, or rear gear ratio makes a difference but it have 245/75/16, 3.73s
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I'm pretty sure that the VIN is stamped somewhere on the block, it should match the VIN of your truck. Someone on this site should know exactly where the number is stamped. Also, many castings have a date code also stamped or molded in, again someone may know if the 5.4 block does. But, I really doubt that Ford would be putting old engines in new trucks, wow, what a lawsuit! Sometimes, manufacturers make running changes to components, maybe that's what happened here.
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some more info
i belive that the blocks are the same it is jsut the heads and the intakes that changed with the hp increase
brian
i belive that the blocks are the same it is jsut the heads and the intakes that changed with the hp increase
brian
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I'm guessing that the original engine blew and was replaced with the '97. You need to get the engine serial (stapmed on the block, not a metal tag) and check it against what was installed in the truck.
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Yea, I dont think the engine was ever replaced. It was brand new with no miles.
I talked to someone that told me the heads AND the cam is different in the 2001. Also, there is an assortment of different electronics, brackets, wire harness changes, and stuff like that. The 97 has a distributer with plug wires and the 2001 has coils mounted right at the plugs.
Also, he said there should be a date stamped in the block and a engine serial number (not the vin number). He said with that engine serial number Ford (corp headquarters) should be able to pull up the specs on that particular engine and see exactly whats inside it...ie, which heads and cam. In addition they can match it up with my vin number if it rolled on the line in my truck.
should be interesting to see all this unfold, it sure would be nice if I got a new engine out of it haha
Thanks for all the help so far!!!
STEPHEN
I talked to someone that told me the heads AND the cam is different in the 2001. Also, there is an assortment of different electronics, brackets, wire harness changes, and stuff like that. The 97 has a distributer with plug wires and the 2001 has coils mounted right at the plugs.
Also, he said there should be a date stamped in the block and a engine serial number (not the vin number). He said with that engine serial number Ford (corp headquarters) should be able to pull up the specs on that particular engine and see exactly whats inside it...ie, which heads and cam. In addition they can match it up with my vin number if it rolled on the line in my truck.
should be interesting to see all this unfold, it sure would be nice if I got a new engine out of it haha
Thanks for all the help so far!!!
STEPHEN
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97 F-150 engine
I have just been asked a question maybe you could help answer. I know a guy that has a 97 F-150 with the 4.6 in it. The tricky part is I do not think he really knows what he is talking about, but then again maybe I do not. Anyhow, he is claiming that the 97 4.6 engine had a 8 bolt crank and the 98 to present have a 6 bolt crank. He also tried telling me that the 97 4.6 was considered a windsor engine. I thought a 4.6 was a Triton not a Windsor. Can anyone help me out with this question? Thank You.
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Jake,
Can't help with the bolt numbers, but both Triton and Windser can be correct.
The 4.6L and 5.4L modular engines are a Triton design. One of these engines that was made in the Windsor, Ontario plant is referred to as a Windsor engine.
Can't help with the bolt numbers, but both Triton and Windser can be correct.
The 4.6L and 5.4L modular engines are a Triton design. One of these engines that was made in the Windsor, Ontario plant is referred to as a Windsor engine.