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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 11:31 PM
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With the crackdowns that I’ve read about in regards to emissions compliance and “off-road” or “race track only” type programmers has anyone had issues with selling or, more specifically, trading in a deleted truck? I bought my truck 10 years ago and all the work was already done, I think I would have been screwed if it was like it is now because I “imported” it into the US from Canada. We are mulling over the idea of trading it in on a large van like a Sprinter or Transit but don’t know if a dealership can legally sell it again.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 12:58 AM
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There is very recent court proceedings which allow deletes in the USA again. At the end of reasonable life. I don't know where the bill is at.


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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 08:36 AM
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If it has a recent smog and/or passed the emissions test it is legal for sale.

After it is sold it is not your problem anymore......my opinion
 
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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 12:40 PM
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If it has a recent smog and/or passed the emissions test it is legal for sale.

After it is sold it is not your problem anymore......my opinion
Luckily we don’t have emissions testing in my county anymore. But, since my Edge went to crap I have a code that throws my CEL that I now can’t bypass.
 
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In CA that (likely low flow EGR code) alone would be a no pass on a smog check - a clean smog is required to sell a vehicle here so I doubt any dealership would touch it (down here). Is the dealer you want to trade it in at located in a no test county in WA? If so, maybe they can be more lenient...
 
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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by diesel_dan
In CA that (likely low flow EGR code) alone would be a no pass on a smog check - a clean smog is required to sell a vehicle here so I doubt any dealership would touch it (down here). Is the dealer you want to trade it in at located in a no test county in WA? If so, maybe they can be more lenient...
It’s for sure a low flow EGR code, I don’t have the number handy, but I’ve pulled and cleared it many times since the Edge went down. I always pull and cleared it because I want to make sure there’s not another code that’s initiating the CEL. Not necessarily talking to a dealership yet, just trying to get information before hand in case we do. If we end up getting a Sprinter it would most likely have to be in a smog test area because there’s not too many Mercedes dealerships out here in the country. We both really want to keep it, but the reality of finances may dictate that a trade in would be needed to facilitate a down payment on a converted van, they are not cheap.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 03:34 PM
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I have a few friends that manage fleets for large companies and their main vehicle is the Mercedes Sprinter van. Take it for what it is worth, but they say the Sprinter is the biggest PO$ that they've ever worked on. Very problematic, very difficult to work on, and nothing but headaches.

Just an FYI my friend.


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Originally Posted by joe blow
I have a few friends that manage fleets for large companies and their main vehicle is the Mercedes Sprinter van. Take it for what it is worth, but they say the Sprinter is the biggest PO$ that they've ever worked on. Very problematic, very difficult to work on, and nothing but headaches.

Just an FYI my friend.


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Coming from a company that had a ton of them: X2.
 
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Yeah brother....they curse these things to Hades every time I talk to them.
 
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@BigGreenEx

I have a few friends that manage fleets for large companies and their main vehicle is the Mercedes Sprinter van. Take it for what it is worth, but they say the Sprinter is the biggest PO$ that they've ever worked on. Very problematic, very difficult to work on, and nothing but headaches.

Just an FYI my friend.


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I appreciate that, thanks. I know they are spendy and difficult to work on. It seems to be hit or miss on longevity, but most that I’ve seen say they are good. Our daughter is in a wheelchair and will be with us for life because of her situation so we are wanting something big that is comfortable for going on road trips and to lacrosse tournaments with our boys while they still want us around. Our other option is the Transit, which is in all honesty not that much cheaper and is a gas engine. We have Transits at work and the guys at transportation hate them too. I’m wondering if mechanics are just unhappy people in general. We really want AWD and that’s like pulling teeth with a Transit, I haven’t seen a passenger Transit offered anywhere we’ve looked, not seriously digging yet though. Ram’s option is ugly as hell and front wheel drive, we still need to look somewhat cool in our choice. A minivan is out, just too small for how we travel.
 
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I hear ya!

Good Luck with your choice
 
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A sprinter is a bigger piece of crap than a Ford Transit Connect? Wow.
 
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Originally Posted by BigGreenEx
I appreciate that, thanks. I know they are spendy and difficult to work on. It seems to be hit or miss on longevity, but most that I’ve seen say they are good. Our daughter is in a wheelchair and will be with us for life because of her situation so we are wanting something big that is comfortable for going on road trips and to lacrosse tournaments with our boys while they still want us around. Our other option is the Transit, which is in all honesty not that much cheaper and is a gas engine. We have Transits at work and the guys at transportation hate them too. I’m wondering if mechanics are just unhappy people in general. We really want AWD and that’s like pulling teeth with a Transit, I haven’t seen a passenger Transit offered anywhere we’ve looked, not seriously digging yet though. Ram’s option is ugly as hell and front wheel drive, we still need to look somewhat cool in our choice. A minivan is out, just too small for how we travel.
Only 2 data points I can offer: first is the guys I use for HVAC run the full size Transits with the 3.5 EB - last year I asked how they had been and was told the one with 130K miles on it had only been back to the dealer once for a repair - a minor coolant leak on a hose. Second: A couple we know bought a plain jane 1 ton Transit AWD with the 3.5EB - they had to get it from about a thousand miles away from where they live in WY. Took it to an outfitter for a full RV conversion. They were really pleased (surprised) with the mileage it got on the highway - like around 20 mpg and not going slow by any means. They haven't had any problems but it is still low miles.

Can you swing selling the truck locally and then getting your van?
 
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Originally Posted by diesel_dan
Only 2 data points I can offer: first is the guys I use for HVAC run the full size Transits with the 3.5 EB - last year I asked how they had been and was told the one with 130K miles on it had only been back to the dealer once for a repair - a minor coolant leak on a hose. Second: A couple we know bought a plain jane 1 ton Transit AWD with the 3.5EB - they had to get it from about a thousand miles away from where they live in WY. Took it to an outfitter for a full RV conversion. They were really pleased (surprised) with the mileage it got on the highway - like around 20 mpg and not going slow by any means. They haven't had any problems but it is still low miles.

Can you swing selling the truck locally and then getting your van?
That's most likely what we will do, it just creates a second step because I’d have to acquire something to use in the interim. It’s my wife’s daily driver to work and doctor appointments. Most likely going to have to order the van because we want AWD. Or, I’ll become independently wealthy in the meantime and I can keep the Excursion.
 
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