bought 2 SPE products in the past and was not happy with the before, during and after experience with them so i removed the items and went to other brands.

but since then....folks are saying SPE is more interactive now , responding to emails vs all the autobot stuff they were doing in the past.

so I sent them an email about 3 products that seem to be ale to work together but their web site is all over the place.....you would think that if you search for CCV everything CCV would come up but it doesnt work that way....also...you would think if you actually found one CCV product...that on that page you would see related products....not the case.

so email sent....lets see if I ever get and answer.

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Im having trouble on your site for a one stop pick what you need shopping cart....seems like everything is on different pages and theres no unity to related items and no clear understanding as to if there is any duplication...so help

Is there a single kit for the internal catch can plus recirculating kit with everything needed to make that work....it seems there might be a spacer missing as a choice for the recirculating box to bring it up to the height of the top of the internal catch can...dont want hose elongation trying to sneaker net this together.

SPE Motorsport 2011+ 6.7L Powerstroke Recirculating CCV Kit
6.7L Powerstroke CCV Internal Catch Can
AND...I cant tell where the external catch can is supposed to mount....
SPE Motorsport 6.7L Powerstroke External CCV Catch Can
3/4" 5' Silicone 4 Ply Line
AND..I guess I dont need the reroute kit if I am going to internal catch can it, then run it through the recirculating kit and not clear if the external catch can is a before or after point ..OR..even if these three main products worjk together.
SPE Motorsport CCV Reroute Kit
If there are any install instructions for such a package I would like a copy of it so I can examine if the intended install spot for the external catch can is still avail on my truck

thanks

Truck is a 2019 f-450 with 6.7 engine.

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Received an answer

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Hello, the external catch can and the 5' hose are part of the reroute.

For the recirculating kit, there are not added parts needed for it when doing the internal catch can. They work in conjunction, and our instructions go over shortening the hose for the added stacked height with the internal catch can.

All instructions can be found on our website under the instructions tab at the top of the page.


If you need anything else, please let us know.

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So I guess we know which route you're going Fritz. I'll be interested in seeing how their cheese grater in conjunction with their CCV recirculating box will work out...

Good luck.

 

I’m still pondering the chicken or the egg question


engine is running perfect since doing the ccv to free air and the FASS egr filter

but

on one hand do I have a quart of oil trapped in the 20 ft hose running to the bumper and is someone going to some day get their car painted black . The racor filter I bought and never installed will probally help with that.

but…on the other hand is returning the ccv to the intake with some traces of fuel/oil a good thing? Fuel good for mpg, oil good for turbo front end.

then there’s the heat during the summer …free to air reduced intake heat.

and then there’s the simplified trouble shooting…


don’t know which way I will go but I do know I want to get rid of the stock ccv box and I don’t want bloody knuckles taking the old box out and putting in a later generation ccv box. The cover is bad enough to get off. There seems to be less access space on a 2017 thru 2019 than prior models. I’m expecting to pull the cover then using a tool to cut most of the ccv body off until I can see the bolts. Rag in holes etc.


definitely not a winter time project.

with the spe recirculating kit and internal catch can…I can keep changing my mind on what I have set up and flip back and forth pretty easy.

free ai on Monday, return to intake on Tuesday, etc,

 

Burn me once... knotty on you! Burn me twice... knotty on me.

 

Love it Doc... let us know moving forward but I know you're not shy, so that's a given...

 

Morning hang over over this ccv stuff

spe is doing a back stroke over how effective the internal catch can and the recirculation box is. Now spe says it helps with the service interval….i guess the service is scraping out egr/ccv carbon.


makes things more confusing is that there is an spelab and speautoparts

I think one might be an overseas knock off company. The knock off company has what looks like the mitshimoto external catch can that uses the spacer with the two metal hoses. Same company has the internal catch can.

the real spe says they don’t have a product that uses a spacer with two metal hoses fittings…clue.


The company that is not spe, has a pick off system based on how much percent reduction you want…then different combos of products appear.


what missing on all of these is the suction valve the stock new ccv has…at high turbo spin up the ford ccv closes a valve …not sure if that is to prevent oil from being sucked into the turbo at a violent velocity …or if it to prevent the pan seals from being sucked into the engine from the inside.


do nothing and we have the same problem…the ccv to open air via a 20ft hose…is the 20ft hose back pressure restricting case gas escape….and who wants to be behind me when the quart of oil in the 20ft hose decides to eject.

I think the best bet is the new ccv filter and a catch can solution .

 

SPELab is the knockoff company (Chinese). SPEDiesel (or SPE Motorsport) is the U.S. company and the one you want to deal with.

 

 

This is what I am going with on my 18 as well. the cheese grater and recirculating box that can be serviced. And yes, Snyder Performance Engineering Motorsports is what you want. i called them last month and spoke with someone right away that answered all my questions.

2018 F250

 

Any update as to how it works? I just installed the grater and Internal CC end of January but we're traveling now so I don't know how much oil is or isn't getting past them.

 

I have not bit the bullet yet. Other financial commitments keep getting in the way. Some say it is a gimmick but I cannot see any harm in it. I think the "grater" in conjunction with the serviceable recirculating CCV box is a good option for those of us that don't want to vent to atmosphere for one reason or another.

 

I went with the recent ford low profile OEM CCV box.....not the one with the air hose. low profile was easy to install. retains case gas evacuation . not worried about dirty sludge build up in intake...I have water/methanal injection going all the time above 5 psi of boost. also running 2 micron dual dual guard oil filters...so no large particles in the oil anyway. lie o meter tells me I get 17 mpg highway with the oem ccv and 14 mpg highway with the ccv vent to air. the oil mist in the ccv gas is a fuel so it does burn.

the closest thing to a stock setup from a gas recovery perspective was the SPE return to intake setup..but in my case .....the cost of the SPE setup was about three times the cost of the low profile OEM CCV box.

 

one thing that caught the eye
Merthanol injects if your over 5 psi boost
my 6.7 at normal empty 65 mph is running 7 to 8
psi
Imo having methanol all the time ...say above 5
Has to net tons of positives
My def burn goes up 1 to 2 % if I drive 60 for any length of time
I think 1200 rpm and low egts are culprit
if I down shift to 8
it seems happy
Methanol would certainly help the def issue as the exhaust being measured would be low nox
I see the methanol in my future
I looked at the egr filter thing...
But methanol should also keep egr cleaner
I have to wonder why ford or others haven't ditched the def..gone with a methanol injection...on the 6.7 ho
the plenum already has ports for such items

 

Yes…my nox numbers are almost zero most of the time when boost is above 5 psi.

it takes about two years for me to go thru a tank of def. I think I go thru 2.5 gallons a year.

Washer fluid on the other hand is in sync with a fuel tank fill…I go thru about 1 gallon per fuel tank fill.


im using two 250ml nozzles with start psi at 5.


first 500 to 700 miles are scary …as all the gunk from the intake path get cleaned out…regens go up and nox goes up …until all the catchup cleaning is done.