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Ceasar7501 claims they had a cp4 failure and the screen in the exo filter failed which is what I’m afraid and seems like conversations with SPE seem to reflect the experiences shared here.
It seems their kit is a good base and then figure out a way to get a real filter on the back side of this. But if the screen fails, seems the sensor they add would be rendered useless.
Lol I think I will take my chances whether doing it myself or paying to have it done after watching both videos. Messing with that metering valve with the chance of a microscopic contaminant getting to that pump would wipe out the whole system.
Lol I think I will take my chances whether doing it myself or paying to have it done after watching both videos. Messing with that metering valve with the chance of a microscopic contaminant getting to that pump would wipe out the whole system.
lol I can assure you a dpk is not a bad idea. It’s a cheap way to limit fuel system contamination in the event of a fuel pump going bad.
wouldn't it make sense for the do it yourself person to just go with the DCR? I mean correct me if I am wrong, but the upper intake, CAC piping, air cleaner stuff has to come off no matter what. So it would not be that much more to go the full monty and just replace the pump.
wouldn't it make sense for the do it yourself person to just go with the DCR? I mean correct me if I am wrong, but the upper intake, CAC piping, air cleaner stuff has to come off no matter what. So it would not be that much more to go the full monty and just replace the pump.
It would if you are not in any type of warranty period. That is where I find myself so in talking with my Ford Truck Center service manager he has assured me all bets are off for any fuel system warranty if the DCR is part of the system.
Even for me that’s what common sense would dictate, but then again history has shown some companies with great products, great technical abilities are just concerned about releasing good those and not wasting time on a bunch of questioning by people like me that don’t know and are just asking on what seems to make sense. (They can also be the ones out of business and lose to inferior products/services from comes that more customer service oriented.)
Then you have companies that use cheaper components and set up tests. (Looking at all the infomercials showing how great things are.) They understand human nature and play to those to sell products.
SPE, in my mind would involve more costs comparing parts side by side, if they were 400, the S&S what I see would be 200 to 250’s. So are they putting more money into marketing? Why aren’t they using the hard lines along with the filters. It can’t be a rubber hose in an engine department is a better option that hard lines? I assume their response would be along the lines of overkill or whatever, but the point is if it’s overkill, why does the price not reflect it.
But all that is opinion, speculation and trying to cut all that out of the decision and not prop up either brand. Think I’m going each next week, see if there is an option to mix and match. One thing that does seem clear, the competition has caused them both to up their game.
This conversation has helped me think it through and set forth a plan. Great feedback everyone.
Right or wrong, I’m sold on the 9 micron filter at this point just how I want to go about the entire setup.
You're thinking this through and theres nothing wrong with that... I can respect that...
IMO, SPE made their new Gen 2 kit 400 bucks specifically just for the reason to compete with S&Ss kit.
Sure SPE has the stainless hard lines but they still use factory style quick connects to hook up their kit to the secondary filter. No other way around it. Those lines are nice to have and they look factory. But that 20 micron stainless mesh in their return back to the tank is no different than Exergy's System Saver Inlet Metering valve with a dual layer of 10 micron rated screen that they rate as 85% chance of saving your injectors and that's with two 10 micron screens...
"Our Improved Stock pump comes with our System Saver Inlet Metering Valve installed. This inlet valve replaces the factory single layer 85 micron inlet screen that is molded in a plastic frame with our two layer 10 micron screen which is mounted on a stainless steel frame that will not fail when the screen fills with debris and becomes a restriction. Not only is the screen over eight times finer than the factory screen, but the addition of another layer further increases protection from debris. Based on a number of injector sets we have tested from systems with a failed pump with a System Saver installed it appears that injector survivability is increased more than 85% when compared to pump failures with the factory screen."
And while it's "just the return line so no big deal," I still have more confidence in the S&S kit, with rubber lines, with a real fuel filter protecting the return line and tank from all the metallic debris.
So just my two cents again and if SPE would have included a fuel filter set up, they would have been over 400 for sure. I just don't get their views of having a fuel filter under the hood as a problem with heat soaking fuel but they must be looking at it from the standpoint from their fuel filter set up which eliminates the upper factory fuel filter and puts their billet filter housing under the truck.
You're thinking this through and theres nothing wrong with that... I can respect that...
And while it's "just the return line so no big deal," I still have more confidence in the S&S kit, with rubber lines, with a real fuel filter protecting the return line and tank from all the metallic debris.
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I’m to the point, I’m not spending the amount of time required to do this without a filter like what the S&S has. I just don’t understand why they use that rubber hose and maybe it wouldn’t have a problem, just seems like they would use a factory hard line. I’m not as concerned around the fuel filter I can see and address should there be a problem down the road.
I might try a both of them, just have to watch the installs but getting some version of the S&S even if it’s just the filter.[/size]
I’m to the point, I’m not spending the amount of time required to do this without a filter like what the S&S has. I just don’t understand why they use that rubber hose and maybe it wouldn’t have a problem, just seems like they would use a factory hard line. I’m not as concerned around the fuel filter I can see and address should there be a problem down the road.
I might try a both of them, just have to watch the installs but getting some version of the S&S even if it’s just the filter.
I did a toss up between the 2 kits. A few things I don't like about S&S. The routing of the lines and such off the filter might put undue stress on the filter, and we have seen and heard of the filters cracking and making a mess. The second thing is the return line. The factory has to be removed and a hose clamped on. That last part turned me off the kit. I want to rely on the factory fittings, not a hose clamp. Factory fittings have been in use for decades and only have issues if misused or abused, Same could be said with hose clamps, but if it aint broke, don't fix it. The SPE kit is plug in and play, it doesn't modify anything on the engine. If I really want additional filtering, no problem, the S&S Filter plugs right into the SPE filter. I like having the sight glass though, a quick check to see if everything is OK instead of pulling apart the filter.
If Ford were to make a factory DPK, it more than likely would look like what SPE did with the gen 2.
What S&S proved is that a DPK Saves the fuel system. It proves that regardless of who made the DPK, A DPK saves the fuel system, S&S went one step further by adding the 9 micron return filter.
It would if you are not in any type of warranty period. That is where I find myself so in talking with my Ford Truck Center service manager he has assured me all bets are off for any fuel system warranty if the DCR is part of the system.
I still have 20k of warranty left and i pulled the trigger on the DCR. Chances are the only thing that's gonna fail in the fuel system is the CP4, so I don't care if the fuel system warranty is void. Also, there's far too many cases of Ford claiming your fuel is contaminated and not approving the repair even if you had a '25 model truck with a full 36k mile warranty left.
The percentage of failures vs the amount of 6.7's on the road may be super low. But a $3000 upgrade was worth the piece of mind for me. DCR for the win!
I did a toss up between the 2 kits. A few things I don't like about S&S. The routing of the lines and such off the filter might put undue stress on the filter, and we have seen and heard of the filters cracking and making a mess. The second thing is the return line. The factory has to be removed and a hose clamped on. That last part turned me off the kit. I want to rely on the factory fittings, not a hose clamp. Factory fittings have been in use for decades and only have issues if misused or abused, Same could be said with hose clamps, but if it aint broke, don't fix it. The SPE kit is plug in and play, it doesn't modify anything on the engine. If I really want additional filtering, no problem, the S&S Filter plugs right into the SPE filter. I like having the sight glass though, a quick check to see if everything is OK instead of pulling apart the filter.
If Ford were to make a factory DPK, it more than likely would look like what SPE did with the gen 2.
What S&S proved is that a DPK Saves the fuel system. It proves that regardless of who made the DPK, A DPK saves the fuel system, S&S went one step further by adding the 9 micron return filter.
You can have a window in the filter by using a SNAPP filter bought with the bracket that bolts onto S&Ss filter mount that bolts to the firewall...
True, but that doesn't address my other issues with the kit. I don't find it aesthetically pleasing for one, and two, I don't want to do any modifications to the engine, I want fully plug and play. S&S doesn't provide that on the 20+ engines.
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