Prove God Exists.
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Originally posted by theologian
So, did anyone prove anything yet?
Theo
So, did anyone prove anything yet?
Theo
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From: Black Hills of SD
Originally posted by ctfuzzy
I dunno Willowbill3, I think there may be some merit to this example from 1956MarkII.
Perhaps you shouldn't be so closed minded?
I dunno Willowbill3, I think there may be some merit to this example from 1956MarkII.
Perhaps you shouldn't be so closed minded?
So now I am closed minded because I see no need for people to be getting ugly with each other? If disagreeing with rude behavior gets me labeled closed minded then so be it.
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No proof, for a reason
If we could prove God exists then we would not have free will to exercise faith. Many of us rely on an alarm clock to get us up in the morning but the night before we can't prove it will go off, but we know it will. That is faith. We can't prove why electricity, magnetism, or wind force works but we count on it to do it's job. That's faith.
There are many things I don't understand that benefit me and my loved ones.
I approach it like this, first I love GOD. Second if there is not a God then when I die then I just died, period. Done. If I didn't believe and when I die then find out God exists, what a horrible choice I have made for the rest of my eternity. Why take the chance? If God doesn't exist then people will remember me for trying to live a good life and wanting the same for others. By believing and following I am claiming a wonderful eternity in heaven. It seems like a no-brainer for me.
You other christians out there how did I do?
There are many things I don't understand that benefit me and my loved ones.
I approach it like this, first I love GOD. Second if there is not a God then when I die then I just died, period. Done. If I didn't believe and when I die then find out God exists, what a horrible choice I have made for the rest of my eternity. Why take the chance? If God doesn't exist then people will remember me for trying to live a good life and wanting the same for others. By believing and following I am claiming a wonderful eternity in heaven. It seems like a no-brainer for me.
You other christians out there how did I do?
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hydro, you did good. I have said the same thing. But as simple as that concept may seem to you and me, it doesn't seem to get the response that one would hope. I like to think of it like a communal farm. As Christians most of us have been taught to plant good seeds and we will reap what we sow. You may not be the one to see the harvest, you may not even be the one to plant the seeds. Your job may be to plow the ground. Carry on in faith.
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From: N. Florida - The "No 4x4
It was a joke, Willowbilly3 !!
. . . My goodness you must have very sore toes from this thread. I apologize for my comment being easily misconstrued into a negative thing - it was inteded to make you smile.
Fuzzy.
. . . My goodness you must have very sore toes from this thread. I apologize for my comment being easily misconstrued into a negative thing - it was inteded to make you smile.
Fuzzy.
Originally posted by willowbilly3
Well it seems to be back at a civil level again.
So now I am closed minded because I see no need for people to be getting ugly with each other? If disagreeing with rude behavior gets me labeled closed minded then so be it.
Well it seems to be back at a civil level again.
So now I am closed minded because I see no need for people to be getting ugly with each other? If disagreeing with rude behavior gets me labeled closed minded then so be it.
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Re: No proof, for a reason
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hydrosmith
If we could prove God exists then we would not have free will to exercise faith.[quote]
Why? Al Gore exists for sure and I can certainly choose not to follow him, but Barney the Dinosaur instead.
Oh, and faith, when fact could be had, is NOT usually a good thing either.
Many of us rely on an alarm clock to get us up in the morning but the night before we can't prove it will go off, but we know it will. That is faith. We can't prove why electricity, magnetism, or wind force works but we count on it to do it's job. That's faith.
We long ago proved why electricity, magnetism, and wind force work. Where have you been?
I trust my alarm clock to get me up because it is a tangible item that is mechanical in nature. Faith it will work, is built on TANGIBLE EVIDENCE and PROVEN HISTORY.
[quote]
There are many things I don't understand that benefit me and my loved ones.[quote]
This I can't "argue" with.
I approach it like this, first I love GOD. Second if there is not a God then when I die then I just died, period. Done. If I didn't believe and when I die then find out God exists, what a horrible choice I have made for the rest of my eternity. Why take the chance? If God doesn't exist then people will remember me for trying to live a good life and wanting the same for others. By believing and following I am claiming a wonderful eternity in heaven. It seems like a no-brainer for me.
So far in NONE of these threads has a shred of TANGIBLE PROOF either way been uncovered. Thus, the only "foolish" position in my opinion is dedicating a entire lifetime to a 50-50% crap shoot. But in the same breath - whatever works for you (as long as you don't come knocking on my front door trying to save me from myself).
Respectfully.
If we could prove God exists then we would not have free will to exercise faith.[quote]
Why? Al Gore exists for sure and I can certainly choose not to follow him, but Barney the Dinosaur instead.
Oh, and faith, when fact could be had, is NOT usually a good thing either.
Many of us rely on an alarm clock to get us up in the morning but the night before we can't prove it will go off, but we know it will. That is faith. We can't prove why electricity, magnetism, or wind force works but we count on it to do it's job. That's faith.
I trust my alarm clock to get me up because it is a tangible item that is mechanical in nature. Faith it will work, is built on TANGIBLE EVIDENCE and PROVEN HISTORY.
[quote]
There are many things I don't understand that benefit me and my loved ones.[quote]
This I can't "argue" with.
I approach it like this, first I love GOD. Second if there is not a God then when I die then I just died, period. Done. If I didn't believe and when I die then find out God exists, what a horrible choice I have made for the rest of my eternity. Why take the chance? If God doesn't exist then people will remember me for trying to live a good life and wanting the same for others. By believing and following I am claiming a wonderful eternity in heaven. It seems like a no-brainer for me.
Respectfully.
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Re: No proof, for a reason
Originally posted by hydrosmith
If we could prove God exists then we would not have free will to exercise faith. Many of us rely on an alarm clock to get us up in the morning but the night before we can't prove it will go off, but we know it will. That is faith. We can't prove why electricity, magnetism, or wind force works but we count on it to do it's job. That's faith.
There are many things I don't understand that benefit me and my loved ones.
I approach it like this, first I love GOD. Second if there is not a God then when I die then I just died, period. Done. If I didn't believe and when I die then find out God exists, what a horrible choice I have made for the rest of my eternity. Why take the chance? If God doesn't exist then people will remember me for trying to live a good life and wanting the same for others. By believing and following I am claiming a wonderful eternity in heaven. It seems like a no-brainer for me.
You other christians out there how did I do?
If we could prove God exists then we would not have free will to exercise faith. Many of us rely on an alarm clock to get us up in the morning but the night before we can't prove it will go off, but we know it will. That is faith. We can't prove why electricity, magnetism, or wind force works but we count on it to do it's job. That's faith.
There are many things I don't understand that benefit me and my loved ones.
I approach it like this, first I love GOD. Second if there is not a God then when I die then I just died, period. Done. If I didn't believe and when I die then find out God exists, what a horrible choice I have made for the rest of my eternity. Why take the chance? If God doesn't exist then people will remember me for trying to live a good life and wanting the same for others. By believing and following I am claiming a wonderful eternity in heaven. It seems like a no-brainer for me.
You other christians out there how did I do?
My alarm clock going off in the morning is not faith either. It was made with American know-how, with years of proven reliable microchip technology inside. That's a reliance on science, on the proven.
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Why would God want us to doubt His existence? Why would it be important to him that we could use our free will to choose not to believe in him? What loving father chooses to allow his children to wonder whether he really cares or will discipline them if they get out of line or allows them to hurt themselves when he could easily prevent it? If this is the reality, that's some sick kind of love.
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Originally posted by sinjin
Why would God want us to doubt His existence? Why would it be important to him that we could use our free will to choose not to believe in him? What loving father chooses to allow his children to wonder whether he really cares or will discipline them if they get out of line or allows them to hurt themselves when he could easily prevent it? If this is the reality, that's some sick kind of love.
Why would God want us to doubt His existence? Why would it be important to him that we could use our free will to choose not to believe in him? What loving father chooses to allow his children to wonder whether he really cares or will discipline them if they get out of line or allows them to hurt themselves when he could easily prevent it? If this is the reality, that's some sick kind of love.
I agree though, why not make it known and proveble that he exists. Then being given a choice of either following him or be burned in hell for eternity. It it was proved that god did exist and I would burn for eternity if I didn't follow, I would be the first in line.
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first in line ot fololw or buren in hell?
Have you seen Bruce Almighty? when when Bruce as God how do you make osomeone love you without messing with free will? Gods answer, "If you find out how, let ME know." I like that I think it makes sense when you look at it.
Have you seen Bruce Almighty? when when Bruce as God how do you make osomeone love you without messing with free will? Gods answer, "If you find out how, let ME know." I like that I think it makes sense when you look at it.