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Old Mar 31, 2024 | 08:03 PM
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Another mpg post

I know there are a million posts about mpg and excursions aren’t meant for good mpg but I’d appreciate the help. Im getting my cdl soon and im working on paying off my ford flex.(not enough room for comfortable trips with kids and dogs) part of me wants to do payments on a 15-17 eco boost expedition or get a 6.8 4x4 payment free excursion. I’ve already decided I don’t want to mess with the diesel maintenance and cost of diesel but what's the realistic mpg of a 4x4 6.8 WITHOUT A LIFT, most likely just an inch taller tires and regular street tires( micheline LTXs) with good maintenance. Or even better the full exhaust a Y pipe done with cold air intake. I’ve seen
many posts about not even getting double digit mpg and that makes me want to take on a whole payment even though I’d like to avoid it. I know a big ole post but it would help a lot because I’ve been stuck with a car I hate and I don’t want to make that mistake again.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2024 | 10:15 PM
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It’s taking some work, but I now get 13-15 mpg on the highway consistently.
cold air intake, accu fab throttle body, spd y pipe, cat removal, and a magnaflow muffler.
the muffler was on the ex when I bought it.
i have stock size tires. With 3.73 gears.
tires are falken rubytrek 265/75r16 E rated.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2024 | 05:00 AM
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what you have now, is what you will get.

you cannot make it do better,
too heavy at 7700 lbs.

and he Axle Ratio makes a lot of difference, as do the tire sizes
 
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Old Apr 1, 2024 | 08:58 AM
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When my ‘05 V-10 EX was all stock on Goodyear Wranglers and 3.73 gears it got 13-ish MPG in my daily 50/50 mix of highway/city driving. It got an high of 15.5 MPG for a tank of touring around coastal Maine in very hot weather. 15 MPG was the typical highway mileage. After the 4” lift, 35” Nitto Duras, Banks headers and running the 5Star 89 octane performance tune it got 14.5 MPG over 450 miles with the cruise set to 65 MPH. I no longer daily drive it as it’s our dedicated tow vehicle. Towing our 12/13 K lbs TT it gets as low as 7 MPG and as high as 9.5 MPG. If an unloaded 6.8 EX is getting single digits it’s either driving all city miles of someone is having too much fun.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2024 | 09:34 AM
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I messed a whole bunch with the "diesel maintenance and cost of diesel", but I get 18-19 MPG driving at 80mph with a lifted truck on 35 inch mud tires. Stock tires and slowing down I'm assuming I could break the mystical 20mpg mark, but that's not going to happen for me at least (the speed limit in parts of west Texas is 80mph, so it's not like I'm breaking any laws and driving at 60 mph will get you ran over).

Realistically, low teens is about as good as any gasser Excursion will ever get. Its just takes energy to move mass, and the Excursion has some mass to be moved. Diesel is just a little more efficient at moving mass, hence why all the 18 wheeler trucks are diesel.
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Old Apr 1, 2024 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Antonm23
I messed a whole bunch with the "diesel maintenance and cost of diesel", but I get 18-19 MPG driving at 80mph with a lifted truck on 35 inch mud tires. Stock tires and slowing down I'm assuming I could break the mystical 20mpg mark, but that's not going to happen for me at least (the speed limit in parts of west Texas is 80mph, so it's not like I'm breaking any laws and driving at 60 mph will get you ran over).

Realistically, low teens is about as good as any gasser Excursion will ever get. Its just takes energy to move mass, and the Excursion has some mass to be moved. Diesel is just a little more efficient at moving mass, hence why all the 18 wheeler trucks are diesel.
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Easy to get spoiled by a cummins for mpg and reliability, that's for sure. The fuel savings definitely more than offset additional fuel / gal and maint cost if you do it all yourself. That much can't be said about modern diesels, which is why I'm not interested in getting a common rail, as efficient as they may be in concept.
 
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Originally Posted by '89F2urd
Easy to get spoiled by a cummins for mpg and reliability, that's for sure. The fuel savings definitely more than offset additional fuel / gal and maint cost if you do it all yourself. That much can't be said about modern diesels, which is why I'm not interested in getting a common rail, as efficient as they may be in concept.
If you could get a modern common rail that was unburdened by EGR, DOC,DPF and SCR then they'd be great, unfortunately our regulators have decided it's better for the environment to get 9 mpg than to get 14 mpg, and it's better to wear out an engine such that it requires replacement in 100K miles vice lasting to 500K plus miles.

They say to road to hell is paved with good intentions, personally I think the road our tyrannical EPA has given us is paved with corruption for the intent of personal financial gain, just sugar coated and passed off as good intention.
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Originally Posted by Antonm23
If you could get a modern common rail that was unburdened by EGR, DOC,DPF and SCR then they'd be great, unfortunately our regulators have decided it's better for the environment to get 9 mpg than to get 14 mpg, and it's better to wear out an engine such that it requires replacement in 100K miles vice lasting to 500K plus miles.

They say to road to hell is paved with good intentions, personally I think the road our tyrannical EPA has given us is paved with corruption for the intent of personal financial gain, just sugar coated and passed off as good intention.
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The road to the hell that we are living in is most definitely intentional destruction masqueraded as "naive good intentions". The people pulling the strings know exactly what they're doing....

I have had common rails w/o emissions, and I still prefer older gen injection systems because of how the injectors fail open and wipe out cylinders. Still, there is absolutely no excuse for burning twice the fuel and calling it "green"
 
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As for the topic of Excursion V10 vs. ecoboost, the newer generation ecoboost 2.7s have a freaking belt driven oil pump that's constantly submerged in oil. What genius thought that was a good idea? And to change said belt at least one of the overhead cam timing chains has to come off, so the engine at the very least has to be re-timed.

The ole gas guzzling v10 may end up costing less to own compared to paying however much its costs to change that silly oil pump drive belt.
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Speed is going to have a huge impact on MPG. I can drive my RWD V-10 with 3.73 gears to 16.5 on the lie o meter if I drive like a grandma on 55 MPH county roads. Interstate 75 MPH I get a consistent 13-14 on the lie o meter, which is about one MPG optimistic I have calculated. City stop and go . .. . don't even want to know.
 
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Originally Posted by ghauser5
I know there are a million posts about mpg and excursions aren’t meant for good mpg but I’d appreciate the help. Im getting my cdl soon and im working on paying off my ford flex.(not enough room for comfortable trips with kids and dogs) part of me wants to do payments on a 15-17 eco boost expedition or get a 6.8 4x4 payment free excursion. I’ve already decided I don’t want to mess with the diesel maintenance and cost of diesel but what's the realistic mpg of a 4x4 6.8 WITHOUT A LIFT, most likely just an inch taller tires and regular street tires( micheline LTXs) with good maintenance. Or even better the full exhaust a Y pipe done with cold air intake. I’ve seen
many posts about not even getting double digit mpg and that makes me want to take on a whole payment even though I’d like to avoid it. I know a big ole post but it would help a lot because I’ve been stuck with a car I hate and I don’t want to make that mistake again.
My opinion, so take it for what its worth - you are absolutely foolish to look at a 20+ year old vehicle built when gas was $1.09/gallon that was abandoned by Ford after only 6 years as your family daily driver. There are two main reasons why they sought after by a small crowd 1) those of us that need to haul 6 people AND tow HEAVY or 2) those who feel compelled to drive something uniquely large for an SUV and are willing to pay whatever it takes to do that. You should drive an Excursion before you consider buying one. They suck bad in stock form. Nearly every person on this board has put new springs/shocks on them to make them tolerable. They are extremely prone to corrosion and parts are becoming more obsolete every day. You will go broke unless you know how to repair things yourself. There are many better options out there. If you think you will 'save money' buy buying a 'cheap' Excursion you will learn a hard life lesson. You get what you pay for.

If you need more cargo space, buy a small trailer and haul it behind your current vehicle. If you need more person space, buy a van.
 
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