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Old Oct 1, 2023 | 11:35 PM
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Help with a barn find

Hello all, after hours of research I feel like my head is gonna explode. I keep going in circles so I have some questions.

Just purchased a 1989 F350 lariet Drw with the 7.5. 40k miles and super clean. However it’s been sitting for 10 years.
got a battery in it and found crank no start. No fuel pressure at the rail so tested high pressure pump on the frame. No dice. Bought a new one, can hear it kick on now but no start. Pulled the feed line and ran it into a gas can, started right up. So at this point it’s either the dual tank reservoir or the in tank pumps.

what’s the easiest course of action here?

Bypass the reservoir and run straight to one tank? Replace the reservoir at another $100+ I did pull both feed lines that go to the reservoir from each tank and cycled the ignition, neither pushed any gas. Do I need the reservoir? Just trying to minimize throwing parts at this.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 08:28 AM
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My advice is convert it to an ITR system like the 90-up trucks have.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 12:15 PM
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My advice is convert it to an ITR system like the 90-up trucks have.
I did some searching but was unable to find what ITR means. Could you elaborate a bit? Thank you so much
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 12:34 PM
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In Tank Reservoir. You only have 1 pump in each tank and it eliminates the external reservoir and the HP pump on the frame rail.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 12:45 PM
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In Tank Reservoir. You only have 1 pump in each tank and it eliminates the external reservoir and the HP pump on the frame rail.
So high pressure pump in tank and remove external reservoir and high pressure external pump? Does the voltage and signal that goes to the tank for the low pressure pump work for the high pressure pump?
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by justin210485
Hello all, after hours of research I feel like my head is gonna explode. I keep going in circles so I have some questions.

Just purchased a 1989 F350 lariet Drw with the 7.5. 40k miles and super clean. However it’s been sitting for 10 years.
got a battery in it and found crank no start. No fuel pressure at the rail so tested high pressure pump on the frame. No dice. Bought a new one, can hear it kick on now but no start. Pulled the feed line and ran it into a gas can, started right up. So at this point it’s either the dual tank reservoir or the in tank pumps.

Do I need the reservoir? .
Just so I understand, you ran the feed from the high pressure pump into a gas can and it started? Do you have power at the tank pumps? I doubt you need the DFR but it’s hard to say since you seem to be saying that the tank pumps aren’t working. The high pressure pump isn’t able to pull the fuel from the selected tank to know. The tank pumps supply fuel to the high pressure pump and force the DFR to change position.

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In Tank Reservoir. You only have 1 pump in each tank and it eliminates the external reservoir and the HP pump on the frame rail.
And then you get to deal with defective check valves.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 06:04 PM
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Just so I understand, you ran the feed from the high pressure pump into a gas can and it started? Do you have power at the tank pumps? I doubt you need the DFR but it’s hard to say since you seem to be saying that the tank pumps aren’t working. The high pressure pump isn’t able to pull the fuel from the selected tank to know. The tank pumps supply fuel to the high pressure pump and force the DFR to change position.



And then you get to deal with defective check valves.
Update: So bypassed the DFR and ran line direct to the rear tank. It was known to have little if any gas in it. Truck started up ran. I was able to drive it to the gas station and put more gas in. It’s a little jittery, but that could be the 10 year old plugs and remnants in the gas tank. So it’s running, I just wonder if I’m going to need that reservoir. I would assume the low pressure pump should be working otherwise how would I be getting fuel from the tank?
 
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Old Oct 2, 2023 | 07:06 PM
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Maybe? Do you hear the pump running?
 
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Old Oct 3, 2023 | 09:00 AM
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So high pressure pump in tank and remove external reservoir and high pressure external pump? Does the voltage and signal that goes to the tank for the low pressure pump work for the high pressure pump?


Yes and yes.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2023 | 10:28 AM
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You're thinking of removing the reservoir and the high pressure pump on the rail and running one tank with the 1990+ high pressure pump in the one tank?
I think I read somewhere that the newer high pressure pumps have a different sized mounting hole. Not 100% sure though. If true you can buy a complete 90+ rear tank/fuel pump assembly complete from Rockauto for about $200.
 
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Originally Posted by Uni Moe
You're thinking of removing the reservoir and the high pressure pump on the rail and running one tank with the 1990+ high pressure pump in the one tank?
I think I read somewhere that the newer high pressure pumps have a different sized mounting hole. Not 100% sure though. If true you can buy a complete 90+ rear tank/fuel pump assembly complete from Rockauto for about $200.
Same size hole, just the notch that is cut in the opening to " clock " the pump correct needs to be adjusted. I just marked and cut a notch in the tank myself. That's if you are putting a newer ( 91 - 97 ) pump unit in a older tank. If you order a package ( tank and pump combo ) everything will be fine.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2023 | 03:28 PM
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I threw my rear tank and DFR away years ago. Rear tank was rusted out and the DFR was sending fuel to it.

Kept all original pumps and tank in front, and spliced OE type fuel lines between where I cut the fuel line in front of the DFR and at the fuel tank.

Been working great for well over 10 years now.
 
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Where I live, I need both tanks or I’d be filling up almost every day. It is a 30 mile round trip to the closest grocery store. I have found the older fuel system to be very reliable.
 
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