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Old Aug 13, 2023 | 08:30 AM
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Interesting article

https://www.wnd.com/2023/08/man-buys...ily-road-trip/

Just fyi, that's all.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2023 | 04:26 AM
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Not too interesting as it contains almost nothing detailing the rest of this story. I'm sure this doesn't signal some monumental failure of EV's in general, that other motorists could and did re-charge at the same stations says something about the subject vehicle was possibly amiss?

FWIW that site in the link seems to be some sort of clickbait trap? .
 
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Old Aug 14, 2023 | 09:11 PM
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Not too interesting as it contains almost nothing detailing the rest of this story. I'm sure this doesn't signal some monumental failure of EV's in general, that other motorists could and did re-charge at the same stations says something about the subject vehicle was possibly amiss?

FWIW that site in the link seems to be some sort of clickbait trap? .
Try this one EV Scam
 
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Old Aug 15, 2023 | 04:13 AM
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Try this one EV Scam
That one is behind a "disable your ad blocker" which is a huge no go for me. Everything on this earth is a scam or crime depending on who's commenting--gets tiring after a short while.

EV's in one form or another are slowly making their way into American life and despite all the nay sayer's that won't be stopped anytime soon. If they're not for "you" that's okay----for the time being ICE's still dominate the market and highways meaning choices still abound.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2023 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JWA
That one is behind a "disable your ad blocker" which is a huge no go for me. Everything on this earth is a scam or crime depending on who's commenting--gets tiring after a short while.

EV's in one form or another are slowly making their way into American life and despite all the nay sayer's that won't be stopped anytime soon. If they're not for "you" that's okay----for the time being ICE's still dominate the market and highways meaning choices still abound.
Just tried, no ad block it's a Fox News report by the EV owner in the OP.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2023 | 11:51 AM
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I saw a similar (same?) article on Inside EV's last night or the night prior.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 10:07 AM
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Just more clickbait hysteria from people motivated to dislike the Lightning and EVs in general.

I think it's a stunt by the truck owner who wanted the attention, so he contacted a willing journalist who was happy to hype this up. Just about everyone who's even glanced at an electric vehicle knows that public charging is in its infancy. The age-old complaint of trucks not getting their EPA rated fuel economy applies to EVs as well, so logic suggests applying some caution when planning around EPA range numbers.

I'll be the first to admit being frustrated with the current state of CCS charging. Charger availability and reliability were the biggest things that caused me to sell my EV6 after only six months and get back into a Tesla. The car wasn't a scam, but I decided that Tesla's charging network was a better fit for my driving habits, so I made the switch. Now that Ford has announced switching over to Tesla's charging standard, those issues will disappear as soon as adapters hit the market. I have no intentions of trading my Model Y, but I'd be looking hard at a Lightning if something ever happened to it. After three years driving an EV, I have no interest in getting back into a gas burner. My ownership experience with all three of my EVs has been far better than any gas burner I've owned.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Just about everyone who's even glanced at an electric vehicle knows that public charging is in its infancy.
Mr. Farley (Ford CEO) himself recently learned this while taking a Lighting on a road trip.
 
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Originally Posted by Sous
Mr. Farley (Ford CEO) himself recently learned this while taking a Lighting on a road trip.
He certainly saw it first-hand, but I think they knew this long before because of their prior announcement of switching to NACS.

So much of this problem will disappear when adapters are released. Superchargers are much more common, and the massive investment from stakeholders in every corner of the industry means much better 3rd-party networks in the near future. Last month’s trip to New Hampshire was stress-free, and next year’s Lightning owners will experience the same thing. My 72-year-old mom was thinking about getting a Tesla after my experience over the last few years, and she’s convinced after taking the trip home with me. I don’t say that to plug Tesla; that experience is coming soon to all EV owners. ‘

I think the Lightning is a great truck, and it’ll be much better as public infrastructure improves.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Just more clickbait hysteria from people motivated to dislike the Lightning and EVs in general.

I think it's a stunt by the truck owner who wanted the attention, so he contacted a willing journalist who was happy to hype this up. Just about everyone who's even glanced at an electric vehicle knows that public charging is in its infancy. The age-old complaint of trucks not getting their EPA rated fuel economy applies to EVs as well, so logic suggests applying some caution when planning around EPA range numbers.

I'll be the first to admit being frustrated with the current state of CCS charging. Charger availability and reliability were the biggest things that caused me to sell my EV6 after only six months and get back into a Tesla. The car wasn't a scam, but I decided that Tesla's charging network was a better fit for my driving habits, so I made the switch. Now that Ford has announced switching over to Tesla's charging standard, those issues will disappear as soon as adapters hit the market. I have no intentions of trading my Model Y, but I'd be looking hard at a Lightning if something ever happened to it. After three years driving an EV, I have no interest in getting back into a gas burner. My ownership experience with all three of my EVs has been far better than any gas burner I've owned.
Another owner but this ones a CEO from Ford. Ford CEO road trip. I think the only place the EV is worth anything is if you live in a metropolitan area, rural you need fossil fuel. My Dr is 75-80 miles one way, wife's is 150 miles one way. Until charging stations are more reliable and cheaper, I saw the first article one charge was $56. Current fuel price local $3.72 into $56 is 15 gallons into a fuel efficient SUV at 20mpg your good for 300 miles. My F350 is getting 20+ highway and 13.4 towing my 5W, wife's F150 16-17mpg. So how is the EV better?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 01:53 PM
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Best part, is when my trucks gas tank is empty, I can be in and out in 10 minutes, usually less. Not 1 hour plus.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 02:04 PM
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Best part, is when my trucks gas tank is empty, I can be in and out in 10 minutes, usually less. Not 1 hour plus.
The thread topic is about ev's not how long it takes to fill a fuel tank.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RLXXI
The thread topic is about ev's not how long it takes to fill a fuel tank.
The response is correct. EVs take forever to charge, as the listed articles pointed out. Not 10 minutes. So, completely relevant.

Try rushing to an appointment with a low charge EV, then with a vehicle that needs gas. Which one will most likely get you there on time?

There is one charging facility, owned by the town, where I live. It is a level 2 charger that charges, according to their site, a whopping 25 miles in one hour charge time. Who has time for that?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yardbird
The response is correct. EVs take forever to charge, as the listed articles pointed out. Not 10 minutes. So, completely relevant.
I don't have a Lightning, but I've been driving EVs for three years. They don't take forever to charge. You just don't like them, so you're latching onto the negative. My last car would consistently go from 10-80% in less than 18 minutes, and my current car takes 25 minutes or so. But charge rate isn't linear; it's much higher at lower states of charge.

Try rushing to an appointment with a low charge EV, then with a vehicle that needs gas. Which one will most likely get you there on time?
That's pretty rare. Why would you rush to anything with a low charge when most owners start the day with a full charge? How often do you go through a full tank in a given day? The extended-range Lightning would go a bit further on a full charge than my Model Y, and I never have to find a charger unless I'm travelling. I live 30 miles outside of the Twin Cities metro, and a heavy day for me is 150 miles.

If 95% of my use is much more convenient and the occasional road trip is a bit worse, I'm happy with my choice.

There is one charging facility, owned by the town, where I live. It is a level 2 charger that charges, according to their site, a whopping 25 miles in one hour charge time. Who has time for that?
Those are garbage. Most facilities that installed them didn't think that through. Those are great for destinations like malls, movie theaters, and overnight parking where you'll be there for hours. They're cheap, but not practical for most of us. DC fast chargers are much faster. The average Level 2 charger I've seen is around 6 kW, which is lower than my home charger. The Lightning charges at 160 kW at a fast charger, and the Silverado EV will be as high as 350 kW. My car peaks at 250 kW, which is about 16 miles of range per minute.

I just pulled some data from a third-party logging site. I only use public chargers on road trips, and my average charging time is 17 minutes. The Lightning would be a bit worse, but most only feel this when on a road trip.
 
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I don't have anything against EVs. I just don't like the way they are being forced on everyone. They are not practical for a large portion of the country, myself included. We don't have enough electricity to keep the lights on nationwide now, with more plants being shut down. You can't count on wind and sun to make up the difference. The math doesn't work.

I live in what is called the foothills area. There are no flat roads. I live in a small town that is appx 10 miles from a somewhat larger town that is not equipped for EVs on any form of a semi-mass scale.

My wife and I enjoy going to the mountains fairly regularly. There are steep roads and mountains between where we go, and then we enter the mountainous roads or Blue Ridge Parkway. The Parkway has no gas stations, much less charging stations. The small towns barely have any gas stations.

Our trips are 175-275 miles per outing over this terrain. Leaving with a full charge, and where we drive, would require at least two recharges to get back home. At the rate of 25 miles per hour, if the few small towns even had level 2 chargers like my town, would require 15+ hours of charge to get through the trip and home.

If I went to a regular job 20 miles per day, it may make sense. I don't. I also don't buy new vehicles because of the deprecation, and I keep some of those vehicles for sometimes decades.

A battery would need replacing possibly several times before I was rid of the EV. Of course, the petro vehicle would need maintenance also, but most likely not as expensive as batteries. EVs need maintenance also.

EV's, in my opinion, are great in a city or metro area. Otherwise, they are a way to keep the population within a defined area, with something that is more earth polluting, when counted start to finish, than a gasoline vehicle.

Each person should buy what they are happy with and works for them, and we should have that freedom. Unfortunately, our choices for transportation are being quickly taken away from us.
 
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