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Cargo Master
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From: Walpole, MA
It was not the same company if there was any confusion. I have American Commerce for my personal and have had a handful of others over the years for my commercial. Never did I have my personal insurer as my commercial insurer for cost reasons so I have no idea if that provision that they practice by would have carried over to a commercial policy.
As someone who has manual seats in his XLT, I can't help by chuckle at a the idea a Lariat is stripped down but I guess it is relatively speaking. Sorry a little OT.
Lead Driver
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Correct. GAWR is based on the tires on the door sticker. The 200 pounds could be the difference in weight ratings between the different tires.
Fleet Mechanic
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The difference you are referencing here is an actual difference in the tires themselves. A/T 18" tire is a 275 series while the A/S 18" tire is a 265 series. The 265 size tire has a lesser weight rating altogether.
Cross-Country
Joined: Jun 2023
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From: Gulf Coast
I figured that would be the case, still boggles the mind the commercial policy wouldn't call out GVW. I guess you can figure out what provider had better underwriters.
As someone who has manual seats in his XLT, I can't help by chuckle at a the idea a Lariat is stripped down but I guess it is relatively speaking. Sorry a little OT.
As someone who has manual seats in his XLT, I can't help by chuckle at a the idea a Lariat is stripped down but I guess it is relatively speaking. Sorry a little OT.
Fleet Mechanic
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More Turbo
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I understand that, but the tires change the GVWR..... And no they were both 275/70/18.
Fleet Mechanic
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I don't know why Ford would change the GVWR based on tires; tires should only change the GVWR if they were the weakest link and I don't believe they are in most cases. IIRC, the typical LR E OEM tire is rated at 3415 lbs max load or 13,660 for four making them more than enough for any SRW GVWR. Or to put it another way, for the tires to be the limiting factor they would have to be rated at less than 2,800 lbs (single). The Michelins on my truck are rated at 5195 lbs max weight single so wouldn't be a limiting factor unless GVWR was over 20,000 lbs...
Dave
More Turbo
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I don't know why Ford would change the GVWR based on tires; tires should only change the GVWR if they were the weakest link and I don't believe they are in most cases. IIRC, the typical LR E OEM tire is rated at 3415 lbs max load or 13,660 for four making them more than enough for any SRW GVWR. Or to put it another way, for the tires to be the limiting factor they would have to be rated at less than 2,800 lbs (single). The Michelins on my truck are rated at 5195 lbs max weight single so wouldn't be a limiting factor unless GVWR was over 20,000 lbs...
Dave
Dave
Well, I guess the tires play a big factor into the weight rating. When I ordered my '22, they mistakenly put the AS tires on the order, when I corrected it to the AT tires, the order showed it gained 400# GVWR....
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Fleet Mechanic
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I don't question your experience and observation just noting that it makes no sense as I believe all tires used on a Super Duty are rated at far more than any GVWR or GAWR used. The tires on my F350 DRW have a combined rating of 22,030 lbs compared to a GVWR of 14,000. The same tires on an F350 SRW would have a combined rating of 20,780 lbs vs. a GVWR of 11,400.....tires don't appear to be even close to the limiting factor.
Dave
Tuned
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From: Flint
The 2022 AS and AT tires are different dimensions. The AS tire is an LT275/65R18 and the AT tire is an LT275/70R18. Check the brochure/order guide/build & price tool/window sticker and you will see. According to Ford, the load index on the AS tire is 123 (3417 lbs), whereas the load index on the AT tire is 125 (3638).
It's all just games being played on Ford's part. Pay us $300 more for AT tires and we'll have someone write a bigger random number on your door sticker.
It's all just games being played on Ford's part. Pay us $300 more for AT tires and we'll have someone write a bigger random number on your door sticker.
Laughing Gas
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From: CNM
The 2022 AS and AT tires are different dimensions. The AS tire is an LT275/65R18 and the AT tire is an LT275/70R18. Check the brochure/order guide/build & price tool/window sticker and you will see. According to Ford, the load index on the AS tire is 123 (3417 lbs), whereas the load index on the AT tire is 125 (3638).
It's all just games being played on Ford's part. Pay us $300 more for AT tires and we'll have someone write a bigger random number on your door sticker.
It's all just games being played on Ford's part. Pay us $300 more for AT tires and we'll have someone write a bigger random number on your door sticker.
Laughing Gas
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First Post Here: Wife and I just picked up a slightly used 2022 F250 Powerstroke, glad we didn't wait for a 2023...not sure about the look on that one lol. Anyway going to pick up our new fifth wheel Monday. Just curious what if any mods are recommended for the truck and or fifth wheel.
for some context, the Wife and I have had 2 travel trailers and a class c up to this point. One trailer was pulled with a tundra, 2nd with a 2019 F250. Took a break from the heavy duty trucks when we had the class C. Excited about the Fifth wheel though, its a Grand Design Solitude 310GK, about 35' long.
for some context, the Wife and I have had 2 travel trailers and a class c up to this point. One trailer was pulled with a tundra, 2nd with a 2019 F250. Took a break from the heavy duty trucks when we had the class C. Excited about the Fifth wheel though, its a Grand Design Solitude 310GK, about 35' long.
I learned also, when shopping for 5th wheels, that my 250 was inadequate for most 5-ers.
You should have bought a 350.
Mountain Pass
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I would be skeptical of advertised pin weights. Jayco says my 2023 355 is supposed to have a dry pin weight of 2360. That's not realistic given the dry weight of 12,845 and max weight of 15,200. It squats my 2022 350 CCSB SRW a good 3-4" and we don't have a washer/dryer and don't travel with any liquid in any of the tanks except for the 5 gal drinking water jug.
Fleet Mechanic
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I would be skeptical of advertised pin weights. Jayco says my 2023 355 is supposed to have a dry pin weight of 2360. That's not realistic given the dry weight of 12,845 and max weight of 15,200. It squats my 2022 350 CCSB SRW a good 3-4" and we don't have a washer/dryer and don't travel with any liquid in any of the tanks except for the 5 gal drinking water jug.
Dave
