Notices
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Dentsides Ford Truck
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Moser

Transmission help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 3, 2023 | 07:48 PM
  #1  
Gravelface's Avatar
Gravelface
Thread Starter
|
5th Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 26
Likes: 8
From: I-55@I-12
Transmission help

While cruising the backroads this evening I ran afoul of a loose O-clamp which incidentally blew out every bit of fluid until I lost gears.

My 76 F100 is a bit of a Frankenford with a 77 460, where it originally had a 360. It’s unknown if the same transmission was kept or replaced along with the engine. From what I’ve read, 76 used F type and 77 used Dex/Mercon.

Is there any definitive way to determine my transmission year or type of fluid. Or recommendations…….

Thank you in advance!
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2023 | 07:58 PM
  #2  
tbear853's Avatar
tbear853
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Shutterbug
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 10,839
Likes: 2,612
From: The Shenandoah Valley
What does the dip stick say? It's not the last word, but it sure will point the way. If I was to swap, I'd keep my dip stick with the tranny it came in.
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2023 | 08:51 PM
  #3  
Gravelface's Avatar
Gravelface
Thread Starter
|
5th Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 26
Likes: 8
From: I-55@I-12
Complete mental disconnect there, thank you for reminding me.

Dipstick calls for CJ…..
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2023 | 08:56 PM
  #4  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,734
Likes: 2,661
From: SE Florida
The 360 and 460 have different bolt patterns. The original trans in that truck would not bolt to a 460.
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2023 | 09:28 PM
  #5  
Gravelface's Avatar
Gravelface
Thread Starter
|
5th Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 26
Likes: 8
From: I-55@I-12
Isn’t CJ the same as Dex/Merc?
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2023 | 10:16 PM
  #6  
DB429SCJ's Avatar
DB429SCJ
Laughing Gas
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 858
Likes: 118
From: Buffalo NY
M2C138CJ = DEX/MERC................ M2C33F = F-TYPE
 
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2023 | 08:34 AM
  #7  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,734
Likes: 2,661
From: SE Florida
DEX/MERC is NOT the same as F-Type.
 
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2023 | 11:38 AM
  #8  
tbear853's Avatar
tbear853
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Shutterbug
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 10,839
Likes: 2,612
From: The Shenandoah Valley
Originally Posted by Gravelface
Complete mental disconnect there, thank you for reminding me.

Dipstick calls for CJ…..
An older Ford dealership mechanic then working at our NAPA asked me if my '77 had orange fluid one day I stopped by and showed him my new to me '77. It was in 1986., it had just 35,000 miles ... and yes the fluid was orange. He said they used to call it Cobra Jet fluid, to help remember the new CJ identifier when it came out .... he said was made with whale oil. He had just moved back from working at B&M in California for a few years too.

I know that by now it's long been super-ceded by other fluids ... more than once. DEX III/MERC is the current one to use ... and I have a dozen or so quarts on hand ... but I have read to avoid use of Mercon LV or SP in it.

If rebuilding one, even an older type F one, I've been told that more modern fluid can be used as all new friction and seals are in place then. Mine's stick calls for ESP-M2C138-CJ fluid too.

From here:: Martin Lubricants Technical Service Bulletin – Transmission Fluid Guide
Multi-Purpose Automatic Transmission Fluid: Unimark Multi-Purpose D-III/M ATF
Most lubricant manufacturers use this generic term for their automatic transmission fluid which meets the former General Motors Dexron III and Ford Mercon specifications which are no longer licensable by GM and Ford respectively.
  • Dexron II: General Motors Dexron II was developed in the 1970s to replace GM Dexron for TorqueFlite transmissions to provide better viscosity control and additional oxidation inhibitors. There were some early-90s variants of Dexron II called Dexron II-D and Dexron II-E.
  • Dexron IIE: First General Motors requirements fluid for electronic transmissions.
  • Mercon Type CJ: This is a specialty transmission fluid for Ford C-6 transmissions. It is designed similar to General Motors Dexron II specification. This type of drive train fluid should not be used in automatics that require Type F. It can be replaced with Mercon or Mercon V specification.
  • Mercon Type H: An obsoleted Ford specification that differs from both General Motors Dexron and Ford Type F transmission fluids. It can be replaced by Mercon or Mercon V specification.
  • Ford Mercon: Ford fluid introduced in 1987, very similar to Dexron II. As of July 1, 2007, the production and licensing of Mercon ATF by Ford ends.
  • Dexron III (H): Replaced General Motor Dexron II released in 2003 for use in Torque Flite transmission. This specification required improved oxidation and corrosion control in GM electronic automatics.
  • Dexron III/Saturn: A special fluid specification for Saturn aluminum differential cases transmissions.
  • C-4 Torque Fluid: Commercial designation by Allison Division of GM for the heavy and medium duty automatic transmission fluids. Based on Allison specification TES-389 in 1991; Allison Transmission implemented one of the first approval system for particular brands. Allison Division no longer supports this specification. General Motors Dexron III or Ford Mercon fluids sold today qualify to the specification requirements.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-4

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-9

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
Old Mar 5, 2023 | 08:11 PM
  #9  
Gravelface's Avatar
Gravelface
Thread Starter
|
5th Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 26
Likes: 8
From: I-55@I-12

Maybe no has serviced this transmission in 46 years….
 
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2023 | 07:38 PM
  #10  
tbear853's Avatar
tbear853
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Shutterbug
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 10,839
Likes: 2,612
From: The Shenandoah Valley
Originally Posted by Gravelface

Maybe no has serviced this transmission in 46 years….
I used to save them from other cars and put sometimes three in my police car's pans. I have a few still in a drawer. That was to mess with guys who buy them at auction. Like a note in a small bottle once.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ranger332
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
9
Aug 22, 2023 08:46 AM
Vlad91
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
2
Aug 12, 2021 11:44 PM
seventyseven250
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case
4
Oct 8, 2007 05:12 PM
jimpennycuff
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case
4
Oct 19, 2005 08:25 AM
leonharu
FE & FT Big Block V8 (332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 410, 427, 428)
1
Sep 7, 2004 04:42 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:31 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-1
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-3
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-6
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE