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The Bass are not running in anyone's truck, even tho you've been pushing someone and anyone for months to pony up to be the guinea pig. Can't really call them proven until someone/anyone has put an oil change worth of milage and towing on them
They require custom CNC machined valve cover risers for clearance (you said they are too tall to fit under valve covers) not currently for sale or marketed by any vendor, unless taking a razor blade to a second set of stacked valve cover gaskets is considered a long term fix
The one and only tuner you say you were trying to get to write tunes so you could actually get some real world testing other than idling, you now are not doing business with, hence this whole thread title
Unless something has changed that you haven't informed us of? Just going off your own updates on the forum on the BASS for those bullet points
For now they just seem like a neat new experiment that passed the function test. Far from turn key or marketable until they are more affordable, road, tow, stoplight tested and dialed in with any supporting tunes
1. They are in my truck and I have towed with them.
2. They do not require a special gasket or valve cover for install.
3. It is true I could not get a simple revision from AA, but Bill made some small adjustments and it was everything I needed. Any tuner that can tune for a split shot injector and a hybrid injector will be able to tune the B.A.S.S. injector.
Curt won't mind the derail. He's been drooling over the B.A.S.S. injectors for awhile.
1. They are in my truck and I have towed with them.
2. They do not require a special gasket or valve cover for install.
3. It is true I could not get a simple revision from AA, but Bill made some small adjustments and it was everything I needed. Any tuner that can tune for a split shot injector and a hybrid injector will be able to tune the B.A.S.S. injector.
Curt won't mind the derail. He's been drooling over the B.A.S.S. injectors for awhile.
1. I thought you said the engine in the truck you were testing these in broke.
2. you yourself said they needed spacers to fit under the valve covers, unless something has changed.
You have yet to provide one ounce of proof they actually run. We’ve asked for videos of the awesome performance (or even idling condition) in your testing mule but you’ve refused to provide any.
I’m with Wes. Push push push these things until someone takes the bait to be your beta tester.
Sorry guys been busy but I just want to be clear I prefer to talk to the person doing my tuning. I don’t feel that getting the description of the issue at hand can be done via email or text message. And I get that people get busy, i myself know all too well. My complaint is I have spend tons of money on tuning over the years chasing a tuner that wants to help you figure out or make adjustments. I’m not looking for perfection I’m just looking for a little support if the money I spent on tuning isn’t up to my (the customers) liking.
In my opinion live tuning is the only way to get tuning done right. But these days it’s all e-mail and disconnect from the customer. Outta sight outta mind maybe? That might be a bit harsh but you get my point.
also Matthew I plan on being part of a possibly great product for our aging 7.3 and will work with you on running a set of bass injectors. Your communication and willingness to make products and share your knowledge is top shelf. I’m old school and I figure this world was built on old school so why change that? I think that people that are to afraid to throw their hat in the ring, shouldn’t have an opinion.
I understand Andrew is busy and I respect that he has priorities and he needs to do what works for him. That said I’m a little disappointed in the lack of communication. He could responded by for or what have you and simply say he man sorry I’m not at the point to service your tuning needs at this time. And done. No need to beat around the bush. So yes I’m going to continue my search for a tuner that is someone I want to work with and vice versa.
Sorry guys been busy but I just want to be clear I prefer to talk to the person doing my tuning. I don’t feel that getting the description of the issue at hand can be done via email or text message. And I get that people get busy, i myself know all too well. My complaint is I have spend tons of money on tuning over the years chasing a tuner that wants to help you figure out or make adjustments. I’m not looking for perfection I’m just looking for a little support if the money I spent on tuning isn’t up to my (the customers) liking.
In my opinion live tuning is the only way to get tuning done right. But these days it’s all e-mail and disconnect from the customer. Outta sight outta mind maybe? That might be a bit harsh but you get my point.
also Matthew I plan on being part of a possibly great product for our aging 7.3 and will work with you on running a set of bass injectors. Your communication and willingness to make products and share your knowledge is top shelf. I’m old school and I figure this world was built on old school so why change that? I think that people that are to afraid to throw their hat in the ring, shouldn’t have an opinion.
I understand Andrew is busy and I respect that he has priorities and he needs to do what works for him. That said I’m a little disappointed in the lack of communication. He could responded by for or what have you and simply say he man sorry I’m not at the point to service your tuning needs at this time. And done. No need to beat around the bush. So yes I’m going to continue my search for a tuner that is someone I want to work with and vice versa.
How many voicemails did you leave?
Email puts it in writing, which makes it easy to go back and reference when tweaks need to be made etc. Its simple just like posting on this forum.
Did you get your initial tunes directly from AA or did you go though a 3rd party vendor?
Honest answer based only on what 99.9% of daily-driven 7.3s can reliably handle for airflow or what the majority of their operators will realistically ever need to use:
AAs, ADs, and 160/100%.
makes sense. The stock size injectors certainly help keep headaches at a minimum, while keeping the rig capable of doing a good job at towing and working as needed. The160/100 are no doubt sweet when dialed in, I personally would feel live tuning much more of a necessary thing with this size injector to get them dialed in for good manners
makes sense. The stock size injectors certainly help keep headaches at a minimum, while keeping the rig capable of doing a good job at towing and working as needed. The160/100 are no doubt sweet when dialed in, I personally would feel live tuning much more of a necessary thing with this size injector to get them dialed in for good manners
When I first got into tuning for the masses (mid-2010), I used to scoff at the thought of a 160/100% and actually tried to talk people into a 160/0% or 238/100% since the typical "stage 2" stuff was hot, smoky, and with current (at the time) tuning, REQUIRED a different high pressure oil setup than stock.
In 2011 I bought a set, installed them, and started a tunnelvision-like focused quest on making them run on a stock turbocharger, stock fuel system, and stock HPO. There are some people across the USA running my tuning for 160/100% but all you have to do is look for a few of Tugly's early posts about his 160/100% follies to find out just how sweet of an injector it really is. The 160/100% should have been Ford's stock injector.
When I first got into tuning for the masses (mid-2010), I used to scoff at the thought of a 160/100% and actually tried to talk people into a 160/0% or 238/100% since the typical "stage 2" stuff was hot, smoky, and with current (at the time) tuning, REQUIRED a different high pressure oil setup than stock.
In 2011 I bought a set, installed them, and started a tunnelvision-like focused quest on making them run on a stock turbocharger, stock fuel system, and stock HPO. There are some people across the USA running my tuning for 160/100% but all you have to do is look for a few of Tugly's early posts about his 160/100% follies to find out just how sweet of an injector it really is. The 160/100% should have been Ford's stock injector.
The 100 nozzle works well even towing heavy?
I have never gone to bigger then a 30 nozzle
I would love to see the PW and ICP curves at idle and towing with 160/100 - specifically your tuning, Cody. Frankly, I'd like to learn what it takes directly at some point, if I can get semi-retired in a few years. I could answer the phone for AA for awhile and provide a pretty face.
This chart of a 238/100 log from one of SSJ's rigs gives us some idea of what the tuning looks like, though these are hybrids. I can't remember if he was towing heavy at the time - probably not, since MFDES is not that high.
In the post I list below this chart, Cody has some helpful comments on some of the variables, like cutting back PW considerably to get a good idle, and moving SOI (SOC) a bit earlier due to the delay in getting the larger droplets to light off. Was wondering if keeping the ICP up there across the RPM range relative to stock programming helps to maintain some level of atomization.
I see on this warmed-up engine, the idle ICP is up a bit at 650psi (normal ADs would be 475psi). Idle PW is at 1.1ms (2.75ms for ADs). That hybrid plunger is partly why that's so low, not just the nozzle size. ICP heads north pretty steeply as he rows through the gears, with moderate MFDES. We don't get to see how SOI is adjusted from the OBDII data (or FORScan has not provided a PID for it).
Would 80% or 100% nozzles on AD's be a reasonable compromise - gaining split-shot manners the pilot injection provides, but using all the available fuel in 2-3 milliseconds at towing RPMs? Or does the pilot shot even work with large nozzles/fuel droplets?
1. I thought you said the engine in the truck you were testing these in broke.
2. you yourself said they needed spacers to fit under the valve covers, unless something has changed.
1. Yes, I think the 7.3 with the B.A.S.S. injectors in it has a bent push rod. Been driving the 6OH since. Haven't found time or space to pull the valve covers. The 6.7 is still occupying the shop space due to a broken cab mount bolt.
2. The spacers were a hypotheses that was proven not needed when we installed the B.A.S.S. injectors over the summer. Better to have them on hand and not need them since it was the first install.
Jeff ( @BWST ) , if you end up going to PHP school, let those of us in the GA area know! I am about 1 hour north of their location right up I-85 and a couple of others live even closer. We were not able to make a visit work out this year while we were out west, maybe a visit in our neck of the woods is in order one day. That said, my BIL moved to Oregon and the other family is still in north ID, so I am sure our paths will cross one of these days.
I think it was earlier this year Kate and I went and had dinner with FTE'r lpzd that was taking some training courses in the north Atlanta area. A couple of other FTE'rs were going to meet with him as well, but they were unable to make it.
Back when it seemed like my engine was going to be complete in a few weeks I emailed AA to get the files (we had corresponded a while months beforehand). He said they were forthcoming but I never received them.
All worked out since the engine didn't come together anyway, but I get the impression it's a "the (polite) squeaky wheel gets the grease" situation.
