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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
I posted a link above; they're still insisting it will start at $42K. I watched an overview by a prominent YouTube reviewer who got to crawl all over a preproduction model last month, and he mentioned that price several times.
My assumption is that Chvey only said that in initial publications to be competitive with the 40k target Ford initially set.

Now they can increase it to 59,900(give or take a few hundred depending on destination charge) and still say it is the most affordable full size EV truck....

I called the 40k a Bait and Switch last summer on Ford, I am going to say the same for GM, it's only fair

Originally Posted by twobelugas
I think desirability is quite a double edged sword.

Ford has been running hard touting the 40k starting price of the lightning and if they cannot deliver it on a mass scale because it’s a money loser, how many truck buyers are really looking for 60k+ electric trucks especially once the federal subsidy runs outs? In parts of the country like California and New York where ford hopes to sell a lot these things due to zero emissions requirements, a 60k truck with tax and licensing ends up being closer to 70k, and annual registration and fees can run upwards of 1000 dollars with the weight fees and EV surcharges.

a huge part of the attraction of the lightning is hinged on the fact that one *could* get one for similar price as its ICE counter part and overlook its, uh, quirks due to being an EV. If the general public start to perceive the 40k mark as another Tesla style bait and switch to upsell more expensive models, then so goes a lot of the demand
 
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I have only bought 2 new vehicles since 1964.
a '65 Plymouth Satellite with 4-speed, limited slip, 330hp 383ci
a '74 Chevy 454 Suburban 2wd

a '98 RAM 4x4 dually was at 117k when I bought it in 2002 ( sold it in 2014 )

the '02 Excursion was at 172k when I bought it, and I am gradually adding perks to it, the Hydra Tuner and the TrueTrac were the last 2 items.

my '01 K1500 4x4 Suburban had 212k on it when I bought it, runs like new.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas

I called the 40k a Bait and Switch last summer on Ford, I am going to say the same for GM, it's only fair
Ford has been the only one to date that has gone nuts on pricing. Tesla did, then dropped them suddenly to keep up with demand. Kia/Hyundai increased their prices about 2% year-over-year while GM even lowered their pricing. My number just came up to order a Cadillac Lyriq, and the base price decreased since introduction with a new model with a few less bells and whistles. I'll be passing on that because I went with the Tesla.

The Lightning and MachE are the only two vehicles on the market that have seen price hikes like this. And the MachE was suddenly reduced when Tesla made cuts, otherwise they wouldn't be selling today. GM's president said they would hold the line on pricing to gain marketshare. Until I see evidence otherwise, I'll assume that to be accurate. Ford is the outlier in the entire industry with this.
 
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