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If considering an aftermarket fuel filtration system replacing the Ford filtration system, my first question would be is how it performs with removing water from the fuel compared to the Ford filtration system. The problem here is CAT doesn't use the fragile CP4.2 pump and CAT's filters may not have to perform that great in this regard since they don't use the CP4.2, whereas Ford knows very well how sensitive the CP4.2 is with water.
For me it would be a very hard sell to abandon the Ford filtration system.
If considering an aftermarket fuel filtration system replacing the Ford filtration system, my first question would be is how it performs with removing water from the fuel compared to the Ford filtration system. The problem here is CAT doesn't use the fragile CP4.2 pump and CAT's filters may not have to perform that great in this regard since they don't use the CP4.2, whereas Ford knows very well how sensitive the CP4.2 is with water.
For me it would be a very hard sell to abandon the Ford filtration system.
I too would have a very difficult time going away from Ford's engineered system. Ford pays people good money to engineer these systems and analyze a lot of data (dealer repairs/reports, lab analysis, etc) that a small aftermarket company wouldn't have access or the funds to. I learned with our 6.0 that 'aftermarket' parts are not better 99% of the time. I actually would love to see some of these aftermarket parts have a name like 'rainbow powder puff head gaskets' and see how many people would buy them.
If considering an aftermarket fuel filtration system replacing the Ford filtration system, my first question would be is how it performs with removing water from the fuel compared to the Ford filtration system. The problem here is CAT doesn't use the fragile CP4.2 pump and CAT's filters may not have to perform that great in this regard since they don't use the CP4.2, whereas Ford knows very well how sensitive the CP4.2 is with water.
For me it would be a very hard sell to abandon the Ford filtration system.
That's funny, you just stuck up for Ford and then bashed them. The CP4 is a bad design, it's not even there unit. Ram even recalled the ones they installed.
From a company that owns Cat equipment and rents a lot of power, burns a lot of fuel. My number problem is fuel filters. Cat filters are the best at filtering.
A couple of years ago, I was doing a prison down if Louisiana, had about 44 generators running. 18 of them I could not fill directly from the tanker truck. Fuel was dropped in our holding tanks and from there we would have to deliver fuel 100 gallons at a time to the generators. At this point The fuel was being filtered at our transcube and then at our hundred gallon drop tanks. The 18 generators lasted longer than the ones are filled directly out of the bobtail truck. Why because it's the same fuel delivered to the stations dropped an underground tanks and then pump directly into your vehicle. There is no filtration.
My thoughts is get something with a motor and place it in the middle of the existing tank pump and engine bay pump…that way if your tank pump fails you have a working in line pump.
afe sells on and so does airdog, and a few others.
That's funny, you just stuck up for Ford and then bashed them. The CP4 is a bad design, it's not even there unit. Ram even recalled the ones they installed.
From a company that owns Cat equipment and rents a lot of power, burns a lot of fuel. My number problem is fuel filters. Cat filters are the best at filtering.
A couple of years ago, I was doing a prison down if Louisiana, had about 44 generators running. 18 of them I could not fill directly from the tanker truck. Fuel was dropped in our holding tanks and from there we would have to deliver fuel 100 gallons at a time to the generators. At this point The fuel was being filtered at our transcube and then at our hundred gallon drop tanks. The 18 generators lasted longer than the ones are filled directly out of the bobtail truck. Why because it's the same fuel delivered to the stations dropped an underground tanks and then pump directly into your vehicle. There is no filtration.
Issue is this kit will do little for a CP4.2 failure. Even Senior Master Ford techs say the disaster prevention kits won't do much since you still have to get the metal out of the system by flushing/changing the lines to be safe. On top of that most techs say the CP4.2 issues are mainly due to user error, DEF in fuel/gasoline in fuel, and they are a small number overall. I would much rather invest in auto insurance that covers a poor fuel quality incident.
Issue is this kit will do little for a CP4.2 failure. Even Senior Master Ford techs say the disaster prevention kits won't do much since you still have to get the metal out of the system by flushing/changing the lines to be safe. On top of that most techs say the CP4.2 issues are mainly due to user error, DEF in fuel/gasoline in fuel, and they are a small number overall. I would much rather invest in auto insurance that covers a poor fuel quality incident.
Never said it would
My point being Cat, as well as large manufacturers that have been in diesel equipment for tens of decades with know more about filtration than Ford.
Issue is this kit will do little for a CP4.2 failure. Even Senior Master Ford techs say the disaster prevention kits won't do much since you still have to get the metal out of the system by flushing/changing the lines to be safe. On top of that most techs say the CP4.2 issues are mainly due to user error, DEF in fuel/gasoline in fuel, and they are a small number overall. I would much rather invest in auto insurance that covers a poor fuel quality incident.
flushing lines would be needed on the original DPK but not the gen2 DPK . The gen2 kit has a return filter to catch everything.
these kits don’t prevent cp4 damage to the cp4…they prevent damage to the rest of the fuel system.
That's funny, you just stuck up for Ford and then bashed them. The CP4 is a bad design, it's not even there unit. Ram even recalled the ones they installed.
From a company that owns Cat equipment and rents a lot of power, burns a lot of fuel. My number problem is fuel filters. Cat filters are the best at filtering.
A couple of years ago, I was doing a prison down if Louisiana, had about 44 generators running. 18 of them I could not fill directly from the tanker truck. Fuel was dropped in our holding tanks and from there we would have to deliver fuel 100 gallons at a time to the generators. At this point The fuel was being filtered at our transcube and then at our hundred gallon drop tanks. The 18 generators lasted longer than the ones are filled directly out of the bobtail truck. Why because it's the same fuel delivered to the stations dropped an underground tanks and then pump directly into your vehicle. There is no filtration.
I believe one of the main reasons for CP4.2 failures is water contamination and one way to extend the life is to improve filtration which I believe they did. Again the HPFP design and the pressure it's operating at commands better filtrations. My John Deere 3532 tractor has a Yanmar diesel with a fuel filter that looks like it would be suitable for a lawn mower. Obviously the HPFP is probably a low pressure design that could injest just about anything and still function.
I have always wondered why Ford used a cumbersome fuel filter system when Caterpillar can filter diesel fuel with two or three simple fuel filters. And their machines are made to work in dirty environments at sustained high rpms. Why did Ford feel it necessary to "re-invent the wheel" when simpler, efficient systems were available.
I believe one of the main reasons for CP4.2 failures is water contamination and one way to extend the life is to improve filtration which I believe they did. Again the HPFP design and the pressure it's operating at commands better filtrations. My John Deere 3532 tractor has a Yanmar diesel with a fuel filter that looks like it would be suitable for a lawn mower. Obviously the HPFP is probably a low pressure design that could injest just about anything and still function.
Here is the reality, when fuel is spilled on construction equipment, the dirt and dust collection on the cap, filler neck, fuel compartment works it way into the fuel. A lot of guys, refuel out of transfer tanks in the back of there nasty pickup truck beds, often by guys who don't give two craps about the equipment because it's not their. I could go on but think you get the point.
Let's talk about winter time and snow plowing, the pickup truck beds are covered in snow, along with the fuel guns, do you think water doesn't get in the fuel?
Construction equipment filters are built to a higher standard then what ford cares about.
The new Tier 4F eqm, the injection need to be damn near perfect or the machine will shut down.
Guess how many times fuel is filtered once it leaves the refinery?
How many post do see about a bad CP4 with no water in the fuel warning? Too many.
I have a fleet, currently 37 Ford 6.7s. just had one replaced completely because of a bad EGR cooler. Had to fight with Ford to warranty it. They covered it. That's another story for another time about how Ford dealership tried screwed a customer.
