New replacement fuel filter system
Cargo Master
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What?
It's a bigger filter, for longer intervals it's all in the marketing.
After Job 1 trucks, They had to redesign the check valve because fuel wouldn't stop draining. Yes those high price engineers made a boo boo, 1st round of R&D was the consumer
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Sounds like CAT's marketing got you sold. Please post up when you install these CAT filtration systems on your trucks.
Cargo Master
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Got nothing else? Best you got?
Cargo Master
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I too would have a very difficult time going away from Ford's engineered system. Ford pays people good money to engineer these systems and analyze a lot of data (dealer repairs/reports, lab analysis, etc) that a small aftermarket company wouldn't have access or the funds to. I learned with our 6.0 that 'aftermarket' parts are not better 99% of the time. I actually would love to see some of these aftermarket parts have a name like 'rainbow powder puff head gaskets' and see how many people would buy them.
Well done highly overpaid ford engineers, let's do a half *** retrofit on the filter kits with an extra part that we should have thought of when we design system
Here ya go about quality engineering
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1688080-early-2017-how-to-change-water-separator-filter.html
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I jaunt changed the fuel filters for the very first time a couple of days and t was super easy. Just opened the drain valve and 2.25L drained out and then it stopped. No disconnecting any lines, parking on a hill, taking the fuel cap off or running it to empty first. In fact it still had just over 3/4 tank left. It was very easy. And the upper filter was the same, but it took even less time!
Granted mine is a 22, so some upgrades must have been made since the 2017 J1’s. In my limited experience everything seems fine and well thought out. No broken lines or fuel spitting out everywhere. The connections are easy to manipulate and I can only imagine folks just don’t understand how they work and get needlessly rough with them, which is when they break. As far as the split filters that are spewing fuel, the only ones I have read about that happening too are the ones that never get changed. I can’t fault a product when it becomes damaged from neglect though…
Granted mine is a 22, so some upgrades must have been made since the 2017 J1’s. In my limited experience everything seems fine and well thought out. No broken lines or fuel spitting out everywhere. The connections are easy to manipulate and I can only imagine folks just don’t understand how they work and get needlessly rough with them, which is when they break. As far as the split filters that are spewing fuel, the only ones I have read about that happening too are the ones that never get changed. I can’t fault a product when it becomes damaged from neglect though…
Cargo Master
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I jaunt changed the fuel filters for the very first time a couple of days and t was super easy. Just opened the drain valve and 2.25L drained out and then it stopped. No disconnecting any lines, parking on a hill, taking the fuel cap off or running it to empty first. In fact it still had just over 3/4 tank left. It was very easy. And the upper filter was the same, but it took even less time!
Granted mine is a 22, so some upgrades must have been made since the 2017 J1’s. In my limited experience everything seems fine and well thought out. No broken lines or fuel spitting out everywhere. The connections are easy to manipulate and I can only imagine folks just don’t understand how they work and get needlessly rough with them, which is when they break. As far as the split filters that are spewing fuel, the only ones I have read about that happening too are the ones that never get changed. I can’t fault a product when it becomes damaged from neglect though…
Granted mine is a 22, so some upgrades must have been made since the 2017 J1’s. In my limited experience everything seems fine and well thought out. No broken lines or fuel spitting out everywhere. The connections are easy to manipulate and I can only imagine folks just don’t understand how they work and get needlessly rough with them, which is when they break. As far as the split filters that are spewing fuel, the only ones I have read about that happening too are the ones that never get changed. I can’t fault a product when it becomes damaged from neglect though…
Well yeah it's gotten better, we did the R&D for Ford's engineering department. Lets see what happens to those to fitting after time. See what the heat/cold cycle does to them.
Search recalls and see how many SD's have been recalled due to the design of the fuel system. It's a known problem. The repair is a joke. Free filters.
Let's see what the 23 brings.
Feel free to Google" Ford 6.7 catching fire "
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I do feel that Ford should have more of a commercial filtration system for the SDs, especially at current pricing. At least a small filter/cleanable line to catch debris if a CP4 fails. Kicker is that owners can't alter the system until warranty is over.
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Is this design actually Cat? I find it hard to believe that a big company like Cat actually cares about a couple ford trucks running around the neighborhood to spend a bunch of money to sell a couple hundred kits.
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Laughing Gas
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I highly doubt it is a CAT design. I would assume just an in-house design using CAT filters. You could throw any filter on there that would fit (Wix, etc).
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Reason 1) is that s&s has a video that proves with their kit, upon a cp4 failure…you can still drive your truck. Their return filter catches everything. So if you monitor requested high pressure fuel and actual high pressure fuel….you will know your co4 is failing as the gap between the numbers gets wider.
reason 2) ford has a very bad reputation on owning up to this problem and fixing under warranty…it’s always everyone else’s fault besides theirs.
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I too would have a very difficult time going away from Ford's engineered system. Ford pays people good money to engineer these systems and analyze a lot of data (dealer repairs/reports, lab analysis, etc) that a small aftermarket company wouldn't have access or the funds to. I learned with our 6.0 that 'aftermarket' parts are not better 99% of the time. I actually would love to see some of these aftermarket parts have a name like 'rainbow powder puff head gaskets' and see how many people would buy them.
To the disaster relief kit people install I dont understand why as even though the 2 micron is clearly smaller then 4 factory micron alot of people dont think about is the extra strain on the CP4.2 pump as its harder to filter through. That's where if you did aftermarket, the fass/airdog has a lift pump to pump it through.
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I have 1.5 years left on my original ford warranty and have a ford extended that goes out another 3 years beyond that. I installed a DPK gen2 made by s@s anyway.
Reason 1) is that s&s has a video that proves with their kit, upon a cp4 failure…you can still drive your truck. Their return filter catches everything. So if you monitor requested high pressure fuel and actual high pressure fuel….you will know your co4 is failing as the gap between the numbers gets wider.
reason 2) ford has a very bad reputation on owning up to this problem and fixing under warranty…it’s always everyone else’s fault besides theirs.
Reason 1) is that s&s has a video that proves with their kit, upon a cp4 failure…you can still drive your truck. Their return filter catches everything. So if you monitor requested high pressure fuel and actual high pressure fuel….you will know your co4 is failing as the gap between the numbers gets wider.
reason 2) ford has a very bad reputation on owning up to this problem and fixing under warranty…it’s always everyone else’s fault besides theirs.
If you take a close look at that filter kit, it has 2 water drains on it, one prior to the filters, and one on the filter itself, which is rated to pull 100% water and 90% emulsified water out of the fuel, then it goes into a 2 micron filter, replacing the under hood filter. With both of these filters being highly rated for industrial/commercial use, can anyone clearly state that it is NOT better than the OEM Ford has, which has been shown to have water get past it and destroy the CP4. If so, prove it.
Fleet Mechanic
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Read the fine print on the extended warranty, it may not cover the fuel system. The Gold Certified warranty explicitly states that the fuel system is not covered.
If you take a close look at that filter kit, it has 2 water drains on it, one prior to the filters, and one on the filter itself, which is rated to pull 100% water and 90% emulsified water out of the fuel, then it goes into a 2 micron filter, replacing the under hood filter. With both of these filters being highly rated for industrial/commercial use, can anyone clearly state that it is NOT better than the OEM Ford has, which has been shown to have water get past it and destroy the CP4. If so, prove it.
If you take a close look at that filter kit, it has 2 water drains on it, one prior to the filters, and one on the filter itself, which is rated to pull 100% water and 90% emulsified water out of the fuel, then it goes into a 2 micron filter, replacing the under hood filter. With both of these filters being highly rated for industrial/commercial use, can anyone clearly state that it is NOT better than the OEM Ford has, which has been shown to have water get past it and destroy the CP4. If so, prove it.
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you are correct 2 is better then 4 micron. And I would rather have the 2. But my thinking is the filter is a strainer. If its tighter you will have more of a sucking and pushing situation going on from the in tank pump and CP4.2. Could cause wear and less fuel overtime and make failure. If I was to do it I would do the extra heavy duty fass/airdog lift pump to meet the demands of the filter and make the cp4 have no air intake to it aswell as easier for it. Just me!
Good points. Cat says that these are high flow filters, but 2 micron is a lot to push through. Considering how big the secondary filter is, that is a lot of media, so it does look as though it can flow a lot of fuel through it. These are also filters that are used on long haul tractors, so it's not like they are some chinese unknown junk.
Honestly though, when I posted it, I didn't expect to see such negativity over a more efficient water separation filtration unit.
