You should take your Ryobi electric mower to work as your commuter...

We too have taken all of the steps Tim mentioned to be more energy conscious, except for the the solar array on the house. We reduced our energy consumption during summer and winter periods by nearly 50% based on the major power suckers that were here when we moved into our home. Do you think Louisiana (correct me if I am wrong sir) will go the way of CA and a couple other states regarding the use of solar at you residence? I have read a few articles where they are increasing fees and reducing credits, at least that is what I thought the message was and I could be completely wrong. It was a bit convoluted and because I have no dog in the fight I left it at that.

When I was still working, I would drive 120 miles a day to my duty station and back home. I did this for 7.5 years and we decided on that intentionally. We knew full well this was my last duty station and we wanted a home we would love as we migrated into our retired lifestyle. It was a HUGE pain in the *** being on the road for 120 miles a day and 600 miles a week, but it is all worth it now. This is not to mention the 5,000 - 10,000 mile trips we take every couple of years as we travel the country.

I hope I see 400+ mile range EV's when using things like AC, seat heaters, etc that will be AWD and seat 5 comfortably. I also hope to see 10% to 90% charging in under 10 minutes... I am shooting for the sky while simultaneously I don't believe the sky is falling. There are some big questions and issues that need to be worked out, there is no denying that. But, someone a lot smarter or richer than I am is in charge of that.

 

You have perhaps the most negative, biased perspective on things that I’ve ever read.

Doom, gloom, and the world is ending. People felt the same way throughout time, and the constant thing has been that we survived. It wasn’t always great, but overall, things have worked out just fine. The “experts” that I’ve seen predict a 15% increase in total power generation needed under a best-case EV adoption at 2040. That’s not a lot to do over the next seventeen years assuming the folks at our power companies and regulators aren’t drooling idiots. You seem to think that they are.

 

LOL wouldn't that be a sight. Doable as well, maybe a cut a few yards along the way to pay for the trickle of electricity it uses.

 

I am glad you saw the humor in it as well. Sometimes a statement like I made is construed differently than it was intended.

 

I do have to admit to one guilty pleasure of abusing electrical demands on the grid with a tube type amplifier for my home entertainment system. You just can't make music sound as good thru a transistor.

 

If one takes a couple of minutes and looks at the total debt CA has Now, it is conservatively 1.6 trillion dollars ($$1,600.000.000,000), a big number; however, the credit rating agencies, looking at the State debt, place it closer to 2 TRILLION DOLLARS. The unfunded pensions plans and the 60-100 Billion dollars that the state should be spending on their water system(s) leads one to believe, that those in charge of the states money, have not done a good job, in fact, they've done a really bad job. But there are those that believe CA's state govt. will suddenly become very savvy-and start spending the states money as if they were in deep debt, and not like a "drunken sailor". I hope those optimists are right on the money! BTW, the state debt in CA equates to At Least $40,000/person, man, woman and child, actually that's a lot of money. The "experts" I've seen say the state of CA is going to need at least 1.2 Million EV chargers NLT 2030. I'm not as worried about total electric generation, as I am getting the electricity to each person's place of residence. Numerous Neiborhoods do not have enough capacity for each home to have an EV charging, in short- the sub-grid. seven years is a long time (2030-2023), but will it be long enough, and what about that debt? I reasonable person discussing How things will and/or should be paid for, others not so much, they believe in "magic", how do you think the state got itself into, 1.6-2.0 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT. I really hope somewhere along the line, the State of CA doesn't ask FED to "bail them out", the other 49 states should not have to pay for the magic show in CA. I know there are a lot of guys that think a small increase in state income tax, and maybe an increase in gasoline tax, and property taxes, and some new greenhouse fees on gasoline, higher business license fees, etc. could pay for it, and maybe it can/will, then again, allot of people are leaving CA, because of those things. I guess we will see.

 

You’re very focused on California. I don’t live there and generally think California will do California things. I’m not gonna use their issues to assert that the world is going down the tubes and the end is near.

Virtually every analysis I’ve read and have posted over the last few months suggest that most areas will be just fine. You make the conclusory remarks without any kind of source for them. The original article was about interstate large charging stations. That’s not a massive problem to solve. The issues you’re going on about have been solved decades ago. This isn’t a tough thing to do.

 

They make for a good conversation piece as well. My brother has it now, but my parents left us a stereo from the 70's that was state of the art at the time. I is still cool to visit him and see the dial light up via 2 small incandescent lights wrapped in a wooden case with a silver face.

Your declaration is not abuse, it is preservation of technology and times past that younger generations would have zero ideas about what or why it is.

 

I take complete exception with your statement. The problems of financial responsibility, who will pay for this "transition" was not worked out decades ago, in fact it was NOTworked out last year. I use CA in my example, because CA has a EV (orZEV) mandate, 2025 will be the start, as it will be the largest state to do so, they are worth studying, so the same mistakes do not take place everywhere else. The over 1,000,000 charging station requirement comes from the state of CA.
""""""The report, released last week, was part of California Assembly Bill (AB) 2127, which looks at charging needs to support Governor Gavin Newsom's 2020 executive order requiring all new passenger-vehicle sales to be zero-emission (either battery-electric or hydrogen fuel-cell) by 2035. A follow-up report will examine 2035 charging needs, a CEC press release said.
In addition to the 1.2 million charging stations for passenger vehicles, the CEC estimates 157,000 will be needed by 2030 to support the 180,000 electric medium- and heavy-duty trucks, and electric buses, anticipated to be on the road by that time.More than 73,000 charging stations have been installed to date, with an additional 123,000 planned by 2025, according to the report. That falls short of the state's goal of 250,000 charging-station installations by 2025, but Newsom's proposed 2021-2022 budget includes $500 million to help fill that gap, the CEC noted.""""""
Regarding the debt situation in CA, as you want me to post sources, the following is from California Policy Center:



The following conclusion was made on the report from the CaliforniaPolicyCenter (after they documented the other liabilites, and the rates of calculation:
"""""For this reason, one might argue California’s true debt overhang is not the officially recognized $1.0 trillion, or even the $1.6 trillion (or more) that accrues if pension analysts use more prudent financial assumptions when calculating the unfunded liability. Taking into account the cost for the public infrastructure that Californians deserve, and that should have been built by now, it is reasonable to assume California’s state and local public debt exceeds $2.0 trillion.""""""
There are 10,000s of pages of info on this subject, I am shocked you required, even a little, tiny bit, of source info. BTW, this report is almost one year old, with the rate of inflation at over 8% for the calendar year of 2022-the unfunded liability now owned by the state will take a much larger leap then normal.

 

I don't give a damn about Ca. I was stationed in San Diego for three of my 24 years of service and I couldn't wait to get myself back East. I turned down promotions to E-9 and W2 and retired because every job that was offered to me after being promoted was in Seattle, Petaluma, San Fran or San Diego.

 

Yeah, I still don't care much about California. They have problems, but their problems aren't my problems. They serve a useful cautionary tale in a number of areas for the rest of us, though.

My remark about sourcing was about the comment that entire neighborhoods would be unable to power EVs. I've never read anything that indicates anything like this, so you'll forgive me for not staring bleakly into the future with a bottle of whiskey and a revolver. We'll be fine.

 

Well I must admit it's not a vintage unit saved or restored from the past, it's a modern unit hybrid with bluetooth. The sound is as one would expect from a tube amp yet has the modern convenience of connecting wirelessly. Pretty cheap considering the quality sound reproduction. Highly recommend. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=16153

 

I like to use CA as an example for one Giant Reason, their law(s) are requiring 35% EVs (ZEV)new sold, by 2025, in short 25 months from now-not 25 years, 25 months. Thus, looking at the costs, how those costs are paid for, and how long it takes to install the necessary infrastructure is well worth looking at, and studying, for the rest of the country. Even if you don't live in CA-go figure. It appears to me, MHO, the debt situation in CA has gone to through the roof, and the spending to convert the entire state to ZEVs (99+% being EVs) is causing an unsustainable rise in debt. I know a large number of citizens do not like the free market, capitalism, or much else about our country, but this is a Free country, they are allowed to feel that way. I on the other hand, do believe in the Free Market system, as such, I believe if the EVs are so great, and for many people they appear to be, then the free market would make them the "winner" over time. The govt-(state gov or FED gov)-would not need to put their fingers on the scale, nor would there need to be sudden accumulation of debt by states such as CA, in order to promote the transition. Most educated people understand the effect of debt on each and every person-can you say inflation? This type of spending in CA is not sustainable, in fact I'm afraid CA may turn to the FED for "help" because they have so much debt-thus placing the burden on the other 49 states. Knowing this in advance, it is time for wiser heads to prevail, CA wants all EVs? Fine, the rest of the US should not be burdened with their debt, in order for them to do so. This Wet Bat tech that is utilized by most of the EV mfgs is already outdated, Ford is going away from the Bats they use now (within the next couple of years), this means: taxpayers are promoting an Outdated Technology-and at a HUGE cost in debt.

 

You’re basing your entire worldview on the premise that this will only work if the entire world turns into California. I reject that premise entirely; things are far too nuanced for that. I’d bet that even California will muddle along better than you’re predicting, but it’s not my problem either way.

Getting back to the topic at hand, over the last century, we’ve managed to scale our electrical infrastructure from nothing to 413 gigawatt-hours produced in the month of August. I’m fairly sure we can manage to keep up with the ~15% increase in capacity under the best-case EV adoption scenario by 2040.

Even solid state pioneer Store Dot believes that mass-produced solid state EVs are a decade away or more. Meanwhile, there’s a tremendous amount of innovation around NMC and LFP batteries. Nobody’s building factories to mass-produce solid-state batteries, but there are dozens under construction and in operation for wet-cell batteries. The technology will always improve and evolve, but it’s perfectly functional right now.

I mentioned in another thread how odd your perspective seems to me. You seem to believe the absolute worst beliefs about current-production technology while simultaneously buying into the highest hopes and dreams about technology that nobody has figured out how to mass produce yet.

 

I'm guessing over the next 25 months (that isn't very long) we shall all see what will happen, are the costs going to continue to soar? Will the govt take on Huge new debt in order to promote LI Wet Bat Tech? Will Toyota actually introduce the Hybrid with Solidstate battery tech (as promised for MY2025)? Will the govt need to continue to give away a huge amount of tax dollars in order to get people to buy an EV? Will the techs that some people believe are at least a decade away (such as Hydrogen in all its forms) be pushed aside for the get Wet Bat Tech EVs? I don't think 25 months is that long to wait, to see. One thing for sure, Ford has announced they are changing the chem makeup of the bat they use now (2025), and Li continues to Skyrocket in cost (check out metals charts for last 2 years). Are other companies going to actually mfg a Solidstate Bat for vehicles? I guess there is no sense in having any argument over how many teeth a camel has, if we have a camel, we can count for ourselves, same thing in 25 months or Less, we will see what happens with the current state of Energy, Batteries, and zero emission fuels-such as hydrogen, both as a fuel cell and in the ICE. And just as importantly, we will all be able to witness, what further steps govts. will take to that will have the effect of the fat finger on the scale of the free market.