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Old Jul 3, 2022 | 08:19 PM
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Keep Your Daydream Fulltimers - Tow Test F150 Lightning

These full timers pull there airstream travel travel and report a lot of positive attributes, but again the show stopper is towing distance and recharge time at the campground.

 
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Old Jul 3, 2022 | 10:46 PM
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These full timers pull there airstream travel travel and report a lot of positive attributes, but again the show stopper is towing distance and recharge time at the campground.

Ford F-150 Lightning: Can it Really Tow our Airstream? - YouTube
Yup, no surprise there. Another popular Youtube channel did a comparative range test with identical trailers and a GMC Sierra 1500. The long-range Lightning made it just over 90 miles with a full-profile travel trailer weighing 6,000 lbs. Just like with fuel economy on a gas or diesel truck, it’s all about wind resistance on the highway. I don’t know that we’ll solve the problem of range with battery electric trucks in the foreseeable future; it takes a lot of energy to drag a box through the wind.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2022 | 08:06 AM
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And GM says they are going to offer 20,000 lbs. of towing on the Silverado EV next year.... That's a magic trick I'm dying to see.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2022 | 10:25 AM
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And GM says they are going to offer 20,000 lbs. of towing on the Silverado EV next year.... That's a magic trick I'm dying to see.
I'm sure that would be on a heavy duty platform. Electric semi trucks have been in development for years, and lots of prototype and preproduction models are already on the road. A diesel Silverado HD can tow more than that, why wouldn't a more powerful electric truck be able to?
 
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Old Jul 5, 2022 | 12:35 PM
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And GM says they are going to offer 20,000 lbs. of towing on the Silverado EV next year.... That's a magic trick I'm dying to see.
Latest I heard, the eSilverado wasn't due out until 2024. I have a reservation for one.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2022 | 07:48 PM
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Yup, no surprise there. Another popular Youtube channel did a comparative range test with identical trailers and a GMC Sierra 1500. The long-range Lightning made it just over 90 miles with a full-profile travel trailer weighing 6,000 lbs. Just like with fuel economy on a gas or diesel truck, it’s all about wind resistance on the highway. I don’t know that we’ll solve the problem of range with battery electric trucks in the foreseeable future; it takes a lot of energy to drag a box through the wind.
Here's some good information on physical size of battery capacity vs fuel tank capacity. Although this video is ~ 2 years old I believe the comparison is still valid.


 
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Old Jul 5, 2022 | 10:50 PM
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We have been watching Mark and Trish (KYD) on YouTube for years. I was excited when I saw this weeks video was related to the Lightning.

I was not surprised by their thoughts on the performance and range. The EV market is struggling to achieve a reasonable range and charge rate for travelers use, let alone while towing.

The technology will get there...
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
Here's some good information on physical size of battery capacity vs fuel tank capacity. Although this video is ~ 2 years old I believe the comparison is still valid.
Those are great videos. I've been watching just about everything from Jason for the last several years, and he's exactly right on energy capacity. Modern electric cars have gotten to the point where they can effectively replace ICE powertrains for the majority of drivers. But it takes a tremendous amount of energy to move large things through the wind, and that's a harder problem to solve.

I seriously underestimated how badly I would miss the EV powertrain when I traded my Tesla. I traded my Subaru for a new Kia EV6 last weekend. I'm still keeping my place in line to order a Lightning, but if the time or price isn't right when my number comes up, I may pass and keep using my old Expedition to tow my boat with. I'll probably keep it around either way; the Lighting would get me 100 miles to the lake and back, but traveling with the boat wouldn't be realistic with ~150 mile range and a long charging time.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
I'm sure that would be on a heavy duty platform. Electric semi trucks have been in development for years, and lots of prototype and preproduction models are already on the road. A diesel Silverado HD can tow more than that, why wouldn't a more powerful electric truck be able to?
They have alluded to the Silverado EV having the option for that level of weight. As in, the Silverado EV coming next year.

As far as HD vs the upcoming EV, I think the first post made it obvious what the issue is here. It requires tremendous energy to power an EV with a heavy load behind it. I imagine that this ratio is exponential, so the higher the weight goes the more electricity it's going to take compared to an equal ICE counterpart.

Going to be really interesting to see how far the Silverado EV can go with 10,000 hooked on, much less 20,000. 50 miles? Is 50 doable?
 
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Originally Posted by WXboy
They have alluded to the Silverado EV having the option for that level of weight. As in, the Silverado EV coming next year.

As far as HD vs the upcoming EV, I think the first post made it obvious what the issue is here. It requires tremendous energy to power an EV with a heavy load behind it. I imagine that this ratio is exponential, so the higher the weight goes the more electricity it's going to take compared to an equal ICE counterpart.

Going to be really interesting to see how far the Silverado EV can go with 10,000 hooked on, much less 20,000. 50 miles? Is 50 doable?
Why do you keep saying next year for the eSilverado? It's not due out until 2024, this is 2022.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 02:05 PM
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Why do you keep saying next year for the eSilverado? It's not due out until 2024, this is 2022.
Because he is right, the eSilversdo is a MY2024, due to be on sale in 2nd half of 2023.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...otype-testing/

The new truck is set to arrive for the 2024 model year, with the first deliveries said to begin in fall 2023. The Silverado EV uses GM's Ultium battery platform and claims an estimated range of up to 400 miles. DC fast-charging capability will also be standard. The Silverado's most direct competitor, the Ford F-150 Lighting, currently offers a maximum EPA-rated range of 320 miles.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WXboy
They have alluded to the Silverado EV having the option for that level of weight. As in, the Silverado EV coming next year.
The Motor Trend article I saw suggested 20K "eventually," and listed 8,000 and 10,000-lb capacities for the Pro and RST models coming up.

I imagine that this ratio is exponential, so the higher the weight goes the more electricity it's going to take compared to an equal ICE counterpart.
No, I don't think that's right. It's more about wind resistance than weight. I haven't had an enclosed trailer for years, but I used to get 8.5-9 MPG empty at 4,100 lbs and 8-8.5 MPG fully loaded at 14,000. During my years as a truck driver, my fuel economy wouldn't change much whether I was 31K or 80K, which was usually around 6.5-7. Of course that was a diesel engine, but the difference as weight scales up certainly isn't exponential. And a low-profile 20K would be much more efficient on the highway than my empty 28' enclosed trailer was.

 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 06:04 PM
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Those are great videos. I've been watching just about everything from Jason for the last several years, and he's exactly right on energy capacity. Modern electric cars have gotten to the point where they can effectively replace ICE powertrains for the majority of drivers. But it takes a tremendous amount of energy to move large things through the wind, and that's a harder problem to solve.

I seriously underestimated how badly I would miss the EV powertrain when I traded my Tesla. I traded my Subaru for a new Kia EV6 last weekend. I'm still keeping my place in line to order a Lightning, but if the time or price isn't right when my number comes up, I may pass and keep using my old Expedition to tow my boat with. I'll probably keep it around either way; the Lighting would get me 100 miles to the lake and back, but traveling with the boat wouldn't be realistic with ~150 mile range and a long charging time.
Here's another example of energy density of diesel vs lithium ion. Time to get back into another diesel truck eerrrrrr exclude that 6.4PSD


 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
Here's another example of energy density of diesel vs lithium ion. Time to get back into another diesel truck eerrrrrr exclude that 6.4PSD

I like that chart, you know what else fits with it? The cost to fill up each vehicle. Except the dots would be flipped.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 07:15 PM
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I like that chart, you know what else fits with it? The cost to fill up each vehicle. Except the dots would be flipped.
True.... Unless time is money
 
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