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Happened to see a Lightning at my local dealer tonight on my home from my son's ball hockey game. Dealers slid that ADM sheet right over the Monroney. Has to be about $40k markup. I find it odd a customer would have turned a special order down so my speculation is that someone at the dealer ordered it and decided it would be best to sell. There was a "RETAIL" sticker on the driver window but the green print would indicate a special order I believe. I wonder if this is the dealer manakin and they are trying to find a buyer already? I don't patronize this dealer after some poor experience back in the day with my 1998 Explorer. Just thought it was interesting.
If it’s the dealer specific mannequin for test drive purposes, Ford forbids them from selling this vehicle for several months and if they do, at a minimum, they’ll face a hefty fine from Ford.
If an EV truck is going to cost you more money than an ICE truck, and both are otherwise identical in capability, why the **** would somebody buy the EV? Isn't the point here to not have to buy fuel, i.e. save money?
Interesting that CEO Farley was quoted the other day as saying he's ready to do away with dealerships and just sell these trucks at MSRP directly.
Happened to see a Lightning at my local dealer tonight on my home from my son's ball hockey game. Dealers slid that ADM sheet right over the Monroney. Has to be about $40k markup. I find it odd a customer would have turned a special order down so my speculation is that someone at the dealer ordered it and decided it would be best to sell. There was a "RETAIL" sticker on the driver window but the green print would indicate a special order I believe. I wonder if this is the dealer manakin and they are trying to find a buyer already? I don't patronize this dealer after some poor experience back in the day with my 1998 Explorer. Just thought it was interesting.
You should report that dealer to Ford, they hold a very dim view on dealers doing that and will reprimand that dealer for price gouging.
If an EV truck is going to cost you more money than an ICE truck, and both are otherwise identical in capability, why the **** would somebody buy the EV? Isn't the point here to not have to buy fuel, i.e. save money?
Interesting that CEO Farley was quoted the other day as saying he's ready to do away with dealerships and just sell these trucks at MSRP directly.
by and large the push for ev was not market driven, but mostly driven by politics and regulatory forces like CARB, EPA, etc. a small group of people who travel by private jets and own compounds in Martha’s Vineyard decided that the average peon paying 2.50 a gallon for gas had to be stopped no matter how clean their ICE cars’ emission was.
by and large the push for ev was not market driven, but mostly driven by politics and regulatory forces like CARB, EPA, etc. a small group of people who travel by private jets and own compounds in Martha’s Vineyard decided that the average peon paying 2.50 a gallon for gas had to be stopped no matter how clean their ICE cars’ emission was.
I know it’s hard to accept that things are changing for the better but your thinking is the same as many people over a hundred years ago when people got around via horse and buggy and steam.
As Mark Twain said……. “I like progress but I don’t like change”
I know it’s hard to accept that things are changing for the better but your thinking is the same as many people over a hundred years ago when people got around via horse and buggy and steam.
As Mark Twain said……. “I like progress but I don’t like change”
I wasn’t aware that in the early 1900s the US government was heavily subsidizing internal combustion engine vehicles while regulating horse emissions, shutting down production of horse feed, and taxing horse owners based on miles traveled per lb of hay to make ownership incrementally more expensive the way ICE vehicles are.
when gasoline cars became common place, it was an economical choice that was market driven. Can anyone say that about the EV push in the last 10 years?
I am in an income bracket where many people in that bracket embrace the ideology that the poor should stay off the road and take buses, while the ones who can afford expensive EVs can have the road to themselves, since I did buy a new super duty this year with cash so I’m not exactly pinching pennies. But I don’t believe for a second EV is really what majority of the american market wants right now at a price the market is willing to pay without heavy government intervention.
and to your point, I’m not anti-EV per se. If ford can actually sell $40k-60k Lightnings on a mass scale I bet people in the suburbs commuting in their trucks and shuttling their 2.3 kids will switch in a hurry but we all know ford can’t afford to do that even if there was no “supply chain constraint”
I wasn’t aware that in the early 1900s the US government was heavily subsidizing internal combustion engine vehicles while regulating horse emissions, shutting down production of horse feed, and taxing horse owners based on miles traveled per lb of hay to make ownership incrementally more expensive the way ICE vehicles are.
when gasoline cars became common place, it was an economical choice that was market driven. Can anyone say that about the EV push in the last 10 years?
I am in an income bracket where many people in that bracket embrace the ideology that the poor should stay off the road and take buses, while the ones who can afford expensive EVs can have the road to themselves, since I did buy a new super duty this year with cash so I’m not exactly pinching pennies. But I don’t believe for a second EV is really what majority of the american market wants right now at a price the market is willing to pay without heavy government intervention.
and to your point, I’m not anti-EV per se. If ford can actually sell $40k-60k Lightnings on a mass scale I bet people in the suburbs commuting in their trucks and shuttling their 2.3 kids will switch in a hurry but we all know ford can’t afford to do that even if there was no “supply chain constraint”
As expected, you totally misunderstood what I said and your attitude towards other people in society who are not in the same as you stated “income bracket” as you tells me everything that I need to know about your overall reply.
I am in an income bracket where many people in that bracket embrace the ideology that the poor should stay off the road and take buses.
You can take your elitist ideology and stick it where the sun don't shine. Anyone that can afford what they drive and pass the drivers test has every bit as much right to use the roads as anyone else.
You can take your elitist ideology and stick it where the sun don't shine. Anyone that can afford what they drive and pass the drivers test has every bit as much right to use the roads as anyone else.
there is only one political party working to raise fuel prices and at the same time actively making cars more expensive by pushing EVs which are more expensive than basic ICE cars. I don’t agree with them. If that makes me an elitist, well then, shucks.
Notice I used the words “many people” rather than “I”. If that wasnt enough to tip you off where I stand, well, what can I say.
As expected, you totally misunderstood what I said and your attitude towards other people in society who are not in the same as you stated “income bracket” as you tells me everything that I need to know about your overall reply.
Lol. Where did I say I agree with them?
look, people in that income bracket and above are the primary driving force behind EVs. They can avoid the hassle of going to gas stations and never have to share the pumps with some guy in a Fiesta. If you cannot connect the dots then perhaps the elites do know how to get the plebs to vote against their own interest and lend support for the mass transit agenda without realizing the overall game.
do you think the EV pushers are content sharing the road with the blue collar and working class being about to drive with 2 dollar a gallon gas? Lol.
I drove by twice the next day and I did not see the truck on the lot. Not sure if it was brought inside or already sold and being prepped for delivery. No point in reporting them to Ford, dealers can ask whatever they want on new vehicles. MSRP is Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. I know Farley plans to sell electric vehicles direct to consumers but I'm not sure how state franchise laws come into play. I would prefer an ICE vehicle myself but would consider PHEV where at least I would have no range anxiety. Has anyone here taken delivery of their order?
Ford takes a very dim view of that dealers practice as you can see from the linked article and it's also one of the reasons Ford is tossing around the idea of eliminating dealer sales, not just that's it's an EV but likely all vehicle sales and to be honest, online sales would suit me just fine.
That markup is absolutely, certifiably and confidently insane. I agree with RLXII, report the dealer to Ford and perhaps they will be made an example of.
Anyone that can afford what they drive and pass the drivers test has every bit as much right to use the roads as anyone else.
