Is there anyone using Schaeffer's oil on a regular basis that can tell me what they are paying per gal? I was quoted 32.XX per gal, wasn't sure if that sounds about right? I am in the Tulsa area.

Thanks in advance.

 

I contacted a local Schaeffer's oil dealer in my area (South Dakota) a few weeks back and I think they said it was about $28 or $30 per gallon if I remember correctly. Heck, it might have been $32 because I remember thinking I would have to get 4 gallons and it was going to be a little over $120 so $32 per gallon would seem about right. I know it was high.

So, perhaps your quote is accurate.

This is directly from Schaeffer's website. $247.54 and then the shipping estimator came out to about $38.23 to my state (South Dakota) and then we have taxes that were estimated at $11.14 so it would be $296.91 total which comes out to about $49.49 per gallon shipped.

Yikes is an understatement.

https://schaeffersoilshop.com/

I'm not sure if you're considering different oils for your vehicle but if you are, I would suggest maybe taking a look at a recent post I posted and we got into a pretty in depth discussion about oils.

Also, in particular, a well known member here (Bismic) discussed using Schaeffer's oil in the past and mentions their concerns about some of the oil analysis results they got with Schaeffer's so you might want to check it out just to see what they had to say since they have experience with it.

There are other discussions about this as oil is a big topic so there are different comments with references or links to other posts that have a lot of info as well. Also, there is a link to Ford's updated list of "approved" oils for the Powerstroke engines or it says "diesel motor oils meeting Ford WSS-M2C171-F1" specs.

I'm biased since it's my post but regardless, there's a lot of info that is probably worth reading.

Here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...the-6-0-a.html

At first, when I looked through the list, I didn't see Schaeffer's oil on there based on Brand name. But, I just went back and looked again and their 711 SynShield OTR Plus SAW 10W-30, 722 SynShield Ultra Performance SAE 10W-30, and 700 SynShield Duarbility Advantage SAE 15W-40 are all on the list. It just doesn't come up alphabetically because they don't put the "Schaeffer's" name before the numbers in the brand name column. I don't know why they did that but whatever.

Just as an alternative or consideration, Mobil Delvac HDEO 15W-40 just came out in our local Walmart with new packaging for $10.98 per gallon and it's on the list as well. About 1/3 the price so that would save you some coin. Not that that's what matters if you're looking at Schaeffer's but just something to think about.

Here is a link to Ford's "approved" list:

https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...SSM2C171F1.pdf

 

Thanks for the reply. I typically use Mobil 1 TDT, but its getting hard to find. My last oil change I had to get a gallon here and a gallon there… It’s a dumb time we are living in… I just want to be able to find an oil my truck is happy with when I need it, more than anything. My injectors are super noisy with T6 so I am out on that. I’ve not personally used Schaefer’s but was willing to give it a try.

I have read some of Marks Oil analysis results but it’s been a while. I’ll pull them back up and see what his results were.

 

Shaneb75, I'm NOT necessarily suggesting to go with the cheapest oil out there.

But, if you wanted to at least "feel" a little more comfortable that there was an oil that was on Ford's "approved" list, the Mobile Delvac HDEO 15W-40 should be plentiful at the Walmarts around the area. I'm only assuming this based on a recent stock at my local Walmart last week which had about 6 full shelves of the stuff. But, even if you aren't wanting to go that route, there are hundreds of different brands of oils on that list that are a lot less expensive than Schaeffer's and likely easier to get compared to having to find a specific dealer in your area since ordering online is going to be so expensive. But I don't know what your "comfort" level is for oils.

As I mentioned in the previous post, the oil discussion has gotten pretty in depth just in the few different threads I've read. And I don't know that there's a clear cut answer to what is right or wrong EVEN AFTER all the info that's been posted. I think it comes down to people probably needing to do an oil analysis to figure out if the oil they are using is best for them but even if you do that, how do you determine what's "best" over something else? I don't know. So, do you then just stick with oils that are on the "approved" list and completely ignore other oils that may be just as good or potentially better? I don't know how we determine if an oil that is NOT on the list is "as good as" or "better". I suppose an oil analysis is the argument for determining that. Again, I don't know. I'm not an oil expert or expert on how to determine which metal properties and certain levels being good or bad for an engine will provide lower "wear" over time.

I think it comes down to whether you believe that one should stick with the oils on the "approved" list and start there if you're not sure. If you're not sure, at the very least, you have quite a few to choose from if you do stick to the "approved" list.

If you deviate from the "approved" list, then it's such an open game at that point with all the different brands and viscosities and so on that I don't know how you narrow it down.

As I pointed out in my other post that I included a link to, although Volvo was pointed to as being one of the best for Powerstrokes (based on their thoughts I believe), I pointed out that there were 3 other oils that had damn near just as good of results(close anyway) AND HAD good fuel economy results WHICH VOLVO HAD ZERO OF. And in one case ,Daimler - MB228.61 (probably the best results for most categories including fuel economy with slightly lower results for after treatment compatibility but poor corrosion protection compared to others), it did have better results with some of the results going off the charts (which Volvo didn't have) AND the fuel economy was the best. The only downfall was that it had one result that wasn't good. (Again, you'll have to reference that post for more info).

 

If you're looking for a boutique type oil such as Schaffer's then take a look at Amsoil as well, I'd sell it to you at wholesale or can set you up as a preferred customer and it'll ship right to your door. If you're just looking for something to hold you over till you find the oil you regularly use then I'd recommend just buying any oil with a diesel only rating, by that I mean you'll find some oils that are rated CK4/SN which means it's a dual rated oil for both Compression ignition (C) diesel engines and Spark ignition (S) gas engines. Those dual rated oils we're talked about in the thread quoted about and in general they don't seem to have the anti-wear additives that a diesel only would have.

No matter what, nothing but a used oil analysis will tell you what any particular oil is really doing and how it's holding up. What works for one truck might not work for another again, like mentioned above with Bismic having increased lead while running Schaffer's and not any other brand

 

I switched to the Schaeffer’s 5W-40 based on some recommendations I got from some others with the 6.0 that swear by it. I was concerned from some of the posts here about higher lead showing up. I plan on doing an analysis in a few thousand miles to see for myself. Anecdotally, my truck does run really well on this oil. Idle is much smoother, and starts are pretty quick. So far less clatter on cold starts. We shall see as the mileage on this oil increases. So far so good though.

 

Thanks for the feedback All!

Honestly my criteria is 1) Ford Approved oil, 2) Available when I need it, 3) Happy injectors, 4) I don't have to take a second mortgage to buy it. lol I considering Schaeffer's because there is a rep relatively close by that I can buy from. LCR, I'll shoot you a PM.

Thanks again!

 

you can sign up as a preferred customer on amsoil site without any referrals etc.
You get the money back that you pay to be a member basically on your first purchase.

 

Please do run the analysis. I wasn't the only user that had lead numbers go up. There was one other forum member that had that happen to him. While seeing it in another engine helped me make up my mind, it is hardly enough data to "hang a hat on".

@Shaneb75 - I'll track down the oil analysis numbers and post them later today.

 

Thanks Mark!

 

Definitely plan on it. I saved enough of the new oil to also send in a control, just in case formulations have changed since you guys got it tested in the past. I also sent in a question to them through there web page concerning your findings. I never did get a response, however I’m not sure if that was the correct channel. I plan on reaching out to my local distributor to see if I can get an answer that way. More to come on the Schaeffer’s saga.

 

I think #4 is out of the question as far as using Schaeffer's then since it is pretty high up there on the price scale. Even more so than Amsoil or other "premium" oils by comparison I believe. I could be wrong but I know it's spendy. Like someone else mentioned though, if you want to become a dealer, then just spend the money and become a dealer. You'll make up the money on the first shipment.

 

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From the other Forum member for Schaeffer 9000
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with their new preferred customer set up there’s no need to become a dealer to get all the benefits. Now they cover your PC fee if you spend over $500 a year, free shipping on orders over $100 vs $300 for dealers and they also give you $5 towards your next purchase for every $100 you spend.

I mean I’ll certainly sign anyone up as a dealer if they want but the benefit gap from preferred customer to dealer is getting smaller.

 

For the "other member", calculating the lead loading for a 5k mile MIS, the numbers are more in line with Marks.

"Moly" can be abrasive depending on the type, but also the particle size. If the particle size is larger than the oil film, it can wear on the bearings. Our engines take a bit to establish oil pressure on start up, so oil film is thin initially. Often when we look at PS main bearings, you see more of a worn area at the center of the bottom shell. Starter crank rotation and compression loads are not that extreme, but once the diesel fires off, the loading is the highest until full oil pressure is established.

It looks like there is a lot of moly in that oil.