First Oil Change
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From: Hartford, WI
This, if you really want to minimize cost and run your oil until it’s truly done have Blackstone due the analysis.
all my vehicles I sent in a base line as they have no data at first. The send in another with a short interval, next with a few thousand more repeat until they tell you best interva. Make sure you maintain same oil brand as there are different additive pancakes. Doesn’t matter the brand just consistency that matters.
You'll be surprised what the test data reveals. Have had cars that broke the oil down quickly and needed 5,000 mile interval changes. I’ve had another that was around 7,500miles and another around 10,000miles. The 10,000miler maintained that until around 80miles and then started degrading the oil faster and reduced to 7,500miles. These were all full synthetic brands.
This is all done to gather actual data as every driver is different and how you drive and where you use the vehicular has way more to do than brand.
Some won’t take the time or energy to do this, which is fine, but Blackstone will tell you just change your oil with the brand you like within reasonable intervals if you don’t have the data to extend. However, the DIY people tend to drain way before the oil life is truly depleted.
all my vehicles I sent in a base line as they have no data at first. The send in another with a short interval, next with a few thousand more repeat until they tell you best interva. Make sure you maintain same oil brand as there are different additive pancakes. Doesn’t matter the brand just consistency that matters.
You'll be surprised what the test data reveals. Have had cars that broke the oil down quickly and needed 5,000 mile interval changes. I’ve had another that was around 7,500miles and another around 10,000miles. The 10,000miler maintained that until around 80miles and then started degrading the oil faster and reduced to 7,500miles. These were all full synthetic brands.
This is all done to gather actual data as every driver is different and how you drive and where you use the vehicular has way more to do than brand.
Some won’t take the time or energy to do this, which is fine, but Blackstone will tell you just change your oil with the brand you like within reasonable intervals if you don’t have the data to extend. However, the DIY people tend to drain way before the oil life is truly depleted.
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I worked for a Nascar team. We tested oil in ways that you couldn't imagine, looking for the slightest bit of protection against scuffing and viscosity breakdown at over 9000 RPM.. The oil analysis you get from sending in car oil is so far off from the nuclear destruction testing we did. Price was no object. We would pay $20K per quart if we thought it was better and would help us win.
Amsoil came in second. That's saying a lot. For grins, we tested Supertech Walmart oil. Absolutely outstanding, and far exceeds any criteria for oil, and it is practically free. The best oil at any price is Mobile 1, off of the shelf at Walmart. Believe what you want. We were the Nascar champs in 2017, and came in 2nd 3 out of the last 4 years after that.
Amsoil came in second. That's saying a lot. For grins, we tested Supertech Walmart oil. Absolutely outstanding, and far exceeds any criteria for oil, and it is practically free. The best oil at any price is Mobile 1, off of the shelf at Walmart. Believe what you want. We were the Nascar champs in 2017, and came in 2nd 3 out of the last 4 years after that.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Hartford, WI
I worked for a Nascar team. We tested oil in ways that you couldn't imagine, looking for the slightest bit of protection against scuffing and viscosity breakdown at over 9000 RPM.. The oil analysis you get from sending in car oil is so far off from the nuclear destruction testing we did. Price was no object. We would pay $20K per quart if we thought it was better and would help us win.
Amsoil came in second. That's saying a lot. For grins, we tested Supertech Walmart oil. Absolutely outstanding, and far exceeds any criteria for oil, and it is practically free. The best oil at any price is Mobile 1, off of the shelf at Walmart. Believe what you want. We were the Nascar champs in 2017, and came in 2nd 3 out of the last 4 years after that.
Amsoil came in second. That's saying a lot. For grins, we tested Supertech Walmart oil. Absolutely outstanding, and far exceeds any criteria for oil, and it is practically free. The best oil at any price is Mobile 1, off of the shelf at Walmart. Believe what you want. We were the Nascar champs in 2017, and came in 2nd 3 out of the last 4 years after that.
Laughing Gas
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By better, know that all oil is so good. You can't buy bad oil. Mobil survived the protection torture test slightly better. We would have been willing to spend anything for a product that helped us win. We didn't have to. Mobil is 24 bucks for a 5 quart jug, even though we bought in by the barrel.
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From: Hartford, WI
By better, know that all oil is so good. You can't buy bad oil. Mobil survived the protection torture test slightly better. We would have been willing to spend anything for a product that helped us win. We didn't have to. Mobil is 24 bucks for a 5 quart jug, even though we bought in by the barrel.
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No. Redline, Royal Purple, all of the stuff that you would consider premium oil. The truth is that there wasn't a 3% difference in performance between the best and worst, and there was really no worst. What Mobil was really good at was maintaining viscosity at insane RPM, and leaving the smallest wear scar. Dinosaur oil was noticeably worse at abusive test levels, but probably better than you ever need for a street vehicle.
Is it possible that ESP has a marketing agreement for the C7, and they changed the cocktail to add more zinc and anti-wear additives?
Is it possible that ESP has a marketing agreement for the C7, and they changed the cocktail to add more zinc and anti-wear additives?
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From: Hartford, WI
No. Redline, Royal Purple, all of the stuff that you would consider premium oil. The truth is that there wasn't a 3% difference in performance between the best and worst, and there was really no worst. What Mobil was really good at was maintaining viscosity at insane RPM, and leaving the smallest wear scar. Dinosaur oil was noticeably worse at abusive test levels, but probably better than you ever need for a street vehicle.
Is it possible that ESP has a marketing agreement for the C7, and they changed the cocktail to add more zinc and anti-wear additives?
Is it possible that ESP has a marketing agreement for the C7, and they changed the cocktail to add more zinc and anti-wear additives?
Don't know but I think you are right. My guess is that they have some sort of thing going on which is why they changed on the LAST year of the C7 to the C8 to use Mobil 1 0W40 ESP. While I agree it is probably better, I don't know if it is better enough to justify the trouble and cost. If I were racing and the purse was large enough, 20K a quart isn't bad. For street cars that do see abuse, it isn't going to be as abusive as a race situation.
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