Codes and PCM
I have a 2002 F-150 with the 4.2l engine. I had the p0171 and p0174. The truck runs and drives fine but it keeps throwing those codes. I replaced MAF, Upper intake, injector O-Rings, fuel pump, fuel filter, vacuum hoses, pcv valve, EGR valve, EGR pressure sensor, spark plugs, and probably a few other things I cant remember. When I got it it wouldnt want to run (kept stalling out and shaking) now it runs and drives perfect. My question is if the PCM wasnt reset, would it still keep throwing those codes because of the computer being used to the old conditions?
If you have any other thoughts on what it could be, please let me know. Its in the shop until I get paid Friday. They just replaced the Mass Air Flow sensor. Before that it drove good but was a little rough and shook a little at idle.
Edit: I have around 140000 miles on it
If you have any other thoughts on what it could be, please let me know. Its in the shop until I get paid Friday. They just replaced the Mass Air Flow sensor. Before that it drove good but was a little rough and shook a little at idle.
Edit: I have around 140000 miles on it
Last edited by Justin01; Feb 15, 2022 at 06:33 PM. Reason: Adding millage
The bolts that hold the upper intake to the lower are known for causing vacuum leaks. They are called isolator bolts. If the PCM wasn't reset after fixing the cause of the code then the check engine light will stay on until it doesn't see a fault for 50 key cycles. It doesn't get used to anything.
Check the oil tube where you pull out to check how much oil is in the engine. The tube or the o-ring could be bad and both will let air in and give you a lean reading.
Old or clogged fuel filter, dirty injectors, intake gasket, MAF sensor, air filter, air temp sensor, vacuum lines, EGR system, air tube coming to throttle body having a hole in it or whatever, these are a number of things that can cause this code.
As for the PCM, it could cause it, but not likely. Clear the codes and see what happens as the PCM should clear after so many starts and drives by itself.
The odds of both O2's being bad are high.
Old or clogged fuel filter, dirty injectors, intake gasket, MAF sensor, air filter, air temp sensor, vacuum lines, EGR system, air tube coming to throttle body having a hole in it or whatever, these are a number of things that can cause this code.
As for the PCM, it could cause it, but not likely. Clear the codes and see what happens as the PCM should clear after so many starts and drives by itself.
The odds of both O2's being bad are high.
Check the oil tube where you pull out to check how much oil is in the engine. The tube or the o-ring could be bad and both will let air in and give you a lean reading.
Old or clogged fuel filter, dirty injectors, intake gasket, MAF sensor, air filter, air temp sensor, vacuum lines, EGR system, air tube coming to throttle body having a hole in it or whatever, these are a number of things that can cause this code.
As for the PCM, it could cause it, but not likely. Clear the codes and see what happens as the PCM should clear after so many starts and drives by itself.
The odds of both O2's being bad are high.
Old or clogged fuel filter, dirty injectors, intake gasket, MAF sensor, air filter, air temp sensor, vacuum lines, EGR system, air tube coming to throttle body having a hole in it or whatever, these are a number of things that can cause this code.
As for the PCM, it could cause it, but not likely. Clear the codes and see what happens as the PCM should clear after so many starts and drives by itself.
The odds of both O2's being bad are high.
When I clear the codes manually with a code reader they keep coming back within 20 or so miles.
The odds of both O2's being bad are high.
When I clear the codes manually with a code reader they keep coming back within 20 or so miles.
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Right there with you 70 F100Long Bed. I made a ton of money at the dealer too and got my masters cert in 1998
I have the tool too and don't sweat the hard stuff either (those engineers told us a story for sure on those early 3 valves)
Now the balance shaft in those Mercedes are a hoot
Makes a 5.4 with the phasers look like a toy and is way worse than the coyotes or 4.0 SOHC
I have the tool too and don't sweat the hard stuff either (those engineers told us a story for sure on those early 3 valves)
Now the balance shaft in those Mercedes are a hoot
Makes a 5.4 with the phasers look like a toy and is way worse than the coyotes or 4.0 SOHC
70f100longbed,
Mercedes M272 and M273 balance shaft chains tensioners oil separators
4x4 trans out, front axles out and oil pan off. Intake off, valve covers off centrifugal oil separators for the pcv the works. You should come and help. The wife is a good assistant but OMG.
I have taken about 6 months off on the job trying to come up with enough whisky and or grenades
Mercedes M272 and M273 balance shaft chains tensioners oil separators
4x4 trans out, front axles out and oil pan off. Intake off, valve covers off centrifugal oil separators for the pcv the works. You should come and help. The wife is a good assistant but OMG.
I have taken about 6 months off on the job trying to come up with enough whisky and or grenades
Don't you get a kick out of this site like I do seeing some of these guys fight it
without all the stuff that makes it easy for us
Hell having a capable scan tool or 4 of them and knowledge is the key
I do not use freeze frame data much except for intermittents and just examine pids closely and decide what needs to be done
without all the stuff that makes it easy for us
Hell having a capable scan tool or 4 of them and knowledge is the key
I do not use freeze frame data much except for intermittents and just examine pids closely and decide what needs to be done
I had the p0171 and p0174.
If the MAF is all good then yes, get the freeze frame data and look at the vehicle speed when the codes were activated. If the codes activated when the vehicle was traveling then it is likely not a vacuum leak. If it happened at low speed or idle the it is likely a vacuum leak.
The OP's engine does not have a BARO sensor. That said, the MAF sensor, if its output is skewed, will certainly cause fuel mixture concerns and it does remain on the list of suspects.
This is the exact reason for checking the freeze frame data. The person doing the diagnostic must be able to determine if the fault occurred under a high vacuum condition (usually a vacuum leak) or a high load condition (usually an inadequate fuel supply).
If the MAF is all good then yes, get the freeze frame data and look at the vehicle speed when the codes were activated. If the codes activated when the vehicle was traveling then it is likely not a vacuum leak. If it happened at low speed or idle the it is likely a vacuum leak.











