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I haven't tried to balance them on my machine yet... Next time I take the wheel off for some reason (might be a bit, those suckers are heavy), I'll see if I have an adapter cone that fits. Maybe I'll get bored this weekend and see.

 

This is the kit that Ford recommends for adapting Ford 19.5" wheels to tire balancing machines. (Ford TSB 00-21-9)

 

Thank You!!!

 

Unfortunately, I think that adapter kit costs as much, or more, than my cheapo alignment machine. I'm going to look for something less expensive, but without a stud based adapter kit, that experience is likely a bust. There certainly is no great way to test with the balancers without it.

 

New 450 owner, 2500 miles. Are the wheels hub or lug centric? Can they be removed and replaced without all this trouble? Had a accident and front drivers wheel and tire are being replaced. The truck has had no vibration since delivery. All this vibration discussion has me concerned.

 

Hub centric.

 

Why all the discussion about centering sleeves if the wheels are hub centric? These topics seem to go opposite ways. Why would you need centering sleeves if the wheels are hub centric. Trying to be ready if any issues arise.

 

I’m not suggesting they are necessary, or essential.

 

Just to make sure that there is no misunderstanding, my earlier post of Ford's TSB suggesting the Haweka Flange Adapter Plate Kit is intended for use on SPIN BALANCING machines, not wheel hubs.

Spin balancing truck tires in typical automotive tire shops can be an exercise of going through the motions without actually balancing the tire and wheel assembly of Ford's 19.5" wheel, which has a much larger pilot hole than an automotive wheel, is much heavier than an automotive tire/wheel, and has a center of gravity that is much further away from the mounting face of the wheel disc, due to being a DRW.

In the late 90's, I set about to verify that tire shops were not really "balancing" tires and wheels by taking Ford motorhome dually tire and wheels to several tire shops, both corporate owned as well as independently operated, and paying them whatever they wanted to charge to "balance" the tire and wheel. I specifically sought out shops that had the very best equipment at the time, by contacting the equipment manufacturers, and asking them which shops had their balancing equipment. (ie Hunter, Coats, etc).

After the tire shop balance the tire and wheel assembly to 0.00/0.00, dead perfect, as I was standing right there next to the tire tech, I waited until the tire tech removed the tire and wheel assembly from the machine, and had it on the floor... then I popped the question.

Me: "I'll pay you extra if you can please rebalance that tire and wheel that you just took off."
Them: "Why? I just balanced it perfect. You saw it yourself. It's already balanced."
Me: (sheepishly) "I know, I know, you did great job too. Call me a weirdo or superstitious, but I wonder if it will still be balanced if you check it again, please? I'll be more than happy to pay twice."
Them: "You don't need to pay. It's balanced. I'll prove it to you. Watch this..."

And with that, the exact same tire and wheel that was just balanced a few moments before was remounted back on to the machine, and much to the astonishment of the tire tech, it was out of balance.

Same tire, same wheel, same technician, same machine, same shop, same day, same hour, same minute, same humidity, same temperature... but out of balance.

What the tire tech had balanced before was a rotating assembly that included the variance of how the centering cone of the tire machine was tightened to the wheel.

Therefore, Ford's TSB, and Haweka's flange adapter kit, was intended to reduce the variance of how larger truck tire and wheel assemblies are chucked up to balancing machines.

As for using stud holes to "center" a hub piloted wheel to a hub, you are not wrong to question the wisdom of that effort, especially with aftermarket wheels made overseas that are sold on based on the appearance of their design, not the control of their quality.

Since the wheels are hub piloted, rather than stud piloted, there is a specification for the hub hole, but what is the specification for the stud hole?

Furthermore, many aftermarket wheels come from China with no stud holes drilled, and aftermarket importers with American sounding names drill holes in these blanks to order. What are their tolerances for the stud holes?

 

You obviously have experience in this topic. My truck was perfect when delivered, now the front drivers side wheel and tire are being replaced at 2500 miles after an accident. It is a big Ford dealer and I am hoping this goes well. The factory install must be done with the proper equipment. All the wheels have one small weight on the outside and run smooth. Your above information has me concerned.

 

OEM 19.5" wheels come from China, just sayin...

 

I have used the Haweka setup in my buddies shop for over 20 years. Way better then the center clamp on splin type machines.

I used the Haweka setup when i installed the 35" duratracs on the stock aluminum wheels and the nokian LT3's on the steelies.

The nokians were and easy balance, but the 35's definitely fought me a little. I got it done, but may put centramatics in to smooth out some random vibes.

being the setup for the f250 was different then other, smaller vehicles, I snapped a few pics of it to make it easier when i do tires again

 

And the steel wheels come from Mexico.

Country of origin isn't as significant as chain of quality control.

A large multinational customer, like Ford, is more likely able to command a higher quality and consistency in output from foreign suppliers of high volume production parts... than a small importer of aftermarket wheels.

Consistency and concentricity of the stud holes is an obvious requirement if using stud holes to "pilot" a wheel designed to by piloted by the hub. Otherwise, the entire point of the industry moving away from lug centric and adopting hub centric wheel mounting methods to minimize installed radial runout... would be lost.

The wheel centering solutions by Haweka for mounting dual rear wheel medium duty truck tires on spin balancing machines utilize the hub pilot.

By way of illustration, and for the benefit of the member here who has what he described as a "cheapo alignment machine" (and I have to assume he meant the spin balancing machine shown in his photo), here is an example of Haweka tooling kits (updated since the Ford TSB).

Haweka HW280 400 139 Pro Max MD kit for Medium Duty Vehicles includes: the HW700 400 033 MD Flange Plate Adapter (configured in the 10x225 stud arrangement) AND the HW160 400 048 Hub Pilot Disc #2, for 170.1 mm Hub Bores.

 

Y2KW57, your balancing story explains a lot about why some trucks run smooth and others don't.

 

I put Centramatic’s on my 2020 F450 about a month or so ago . My ride wasn’t bad before hand but I do think it is smoother now . I’ve only driven about a 1000 miles on them so far , but I like the ride . I’ve got almost 36k on the original tires and have rotated them about every 6000 miles . Wear has been good on them and hoping to get another 30k on them . I’d never heard of Balance Masters before getting the Centramatic’s. I only live about 30 miles from the Centramatic office so I picked them up pretty easily.