California does it again
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Makes sense to me, until those cars start driving themselves, and lock the doors, and only take you on approved routes, and when you complain, on your next trip, it detours to the "car wash" building.
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Because the in-vehicle system is good. The late Joe Woods used to rail about the dyno, and sniff testing being set up as not necessary. Joe was a friend of mine; we shared an online platform on Compuserve, and he came to my facility to do a brake article for Motor. NJ went through this BS decades ago, setting up the inspection stations with dyno/sniff testing and pressure testing the fuel caps. The state spent a lot of money (state inspection stations) and private garages that also did inspections. NJ used to have one of the toughest state safety inspections: glass, wiper, lights, headlights, horn, alignment, and even shocks. Now no safety inspections and the newer vehicles get plugged in. Diesels in my category are self inspected, but with the potential of roadside, last I remember. Pete would be more up about the NJ stuff.
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From: NH
They can also be fooled. There are plug and play dummy sensors to replace your O2 sensors, your EVAP leak sensors, and other monitored systems that can cause an inspection fail in a state which only uses the plug-in system. A couple of dummy O2 sensors can eliminate the need to replace an expensive failed catalytic converter. Or an EVAP sensor which passes the monitor and avoids having a smoke test to find out where a leak might be. These sensors save the customer money and completely fool a mechanic. The tailpipe sniffer systems cannot be fooled.
Some states do not require safety or emissions inspections at all, such as MN. If there truly is a goal to get 'dirty' cars off the roads, the EPA (not CARB) should set a national standard that all states can follow for testing, not the ad hoc method employed now where a brand new Prius is barely legal in CA but a RAM 2500 diesel with three failed injectors is legal in NH and a 1950's Greyhound with only one functioning injector is legal in MN.
Personally, I'm in favor of zero state inspections of any kind, anywhere. But liability insurance should be mandated.
Some states do not require safety or emissions inspections at all, such as MN. If there truly is a goal to get 'dirty' cars off the roads, the EPA (not CARB) should set a national standard that all states can follow for testing, not the ad hoc method employed now where a brand new Prius is barely legal in CA but a RAM 2500 diesel with three failed injectors is legal in NH and a 1950's Greyhound with only one functioning injector is legal in MN.
Personally, I'm in favor of zero state inspections of any kind, anywhere. But liability insurance should be mandated.
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Other states have similar surchages to register electric vehicles, which gasoline and diesel vehicle owners do not have to pay. This is how the states extract taxes from electric vehicle owners who are not paying taxes with fuel consumption.
And unlike fossil fuel taxes, electric vehicle taxes are assessed whether the vehicle is driven or not.
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Compuserve? WOW, you are dating yourself with that one Jack (LOL). Yeah it really surprised me when they did not do a sniff test on my car last weekend. I guess it will be the same for my SS in two years when it's 8 years old. Now to get my truck running so I can get it smoged. Being an Oh'6 6.0 diesel hopefully it will pass. But that's about 6 to 8 weeks away. They have never run a sniffer test in years past on that old girl. BUT, they DO plug in to the OBD port. Hopefully the tune in the PCM for the bigger injector's doesn't show. I was told it won't. Wait and see. Man, this stinks not being able to have a little fun with your vehicles. B.
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Californians are currently charged an extra $100 per year surcharge to register a zero emissions vehicle, which includes electric vehicles. That surchage is scheduled to increase with COLA adjustments, so I expect it to be $106 per year in 2022.
Other states have similar surchages to register electric vehicles, which gasoline and diesel vehicle owners do not have to pay. This is how the states extract taxes from electric vehicle owners who are not paying taxes with fuel consumption.
And unlike fossil fuel taxes, electric vehicle taxes are assessed whether the vehicle is driven or not.
Other states have similar surchages to register electric vehicles, which gasoline and diesel vehicle owners do not have to pay. This is how the states extract taxes from electric vehicle owners who are not paying taxes with fuel consumption.
And unlike fossil fuel taxes, electric vehicle taxes are assessed whether the vehicle is driven or not.
If I buy a Tesla Model S, I can drive an unlimited number of miles for $100 a year right now. Meanwhile, the gas tax is $0.533 per gallon, so consider a person who drives 10,000 miles a year (less than average) in an economical ICE vehicle which gets 30mpg on average. That individual will pay $177 in gas taxes to the state, not counting what is paid to the government.
What if you drive a little more than average miles (longer commute) of about 15,000 miles per year, in a crossover that averages 20mpg? Now you get to pay the state $400 in gas taxes. So clearly, the system is very much designed to NOT penalize EV buyers, even those buying $100k Teslas. Once more of the fleet shifts to EV, however, the already cash-strapped state will certainly need to make up that revenue and it will rise a whole lot more $6 per year.
The story with diesels in CA is even worse. My F-350 dually 6.0L seems to average about 15mpg empty, and 10mpg towing. The state's tax on diesel is $0.68. I drive the truck about 12k per year. At 12mpg and that many miles, I'd be paying nearly $700 per year in state fuel taxes.
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