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Old Jul 10, 2021 | 10:48 PM
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CA emissions on non CA X??

I have a 2000 X w the V10. It was not made in California but in Wisconsin or Minnesota area. It was registered out here back in 17 and then off the road. I got it and put alot of work into her but she won't pass smog, keeps saying 'not ready. I've put a few hundred miles since then and will try again tomorrow. Does anyone know if non CA vehicles have to meet CA specs? I mean come on, it's old enough to legally drink...
 
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Old Jul 10, 2021 | 11:02 PM
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Only has to meet the requirements of the sticker under the hood. However a OBD readiness check is required. This code is also commonly set when battery voltage is too low during cranking and resets the PCM memory. There is a host of reasons why it won't clear but battery voltage is one of the easiest to fix.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2021 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
Only has to meet the requirements of the sticker under the hood. However a OBD readiness check is required. This code is also commonly set when battery voltage is too low during cranking and resets the PCM memory. There is a host of reasons why it won't clear but battery voltage is one of the easiest to fix.
The smog tech told me to 'put a couple hundred miles on it' so that's what I have been doing. Do you think I should mention it's not a CA vehicle?
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 12:43 AM
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I think the OBD II connection will tell the guy what standard it's made to. You do not have to bring 49 state cars "up" to CA standards.

Has it been tampered with? All the parts there?
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 12:47 AM
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I think the OBD II connection will tell the guy what standard it's made to. You do not have to bring 49 state cars "up" to CA standards.

Has it been tampered with? All the parts there?
The engine compartment looks stock, but the exhaust has been modified. Do not see a cat, but honestly not sure if one was there stock...
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 01:17 AM
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Can you fnd the sticker mentioned in post 2?

Pretty sure it would have had a cat. They (there are two, one on each bank) are way upstream, just out of the exhaust headers. EDIT, see posts 10,12 & 14. Only one.

Previous discussions:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...em-on-v10.html

OK this one could be the issue. A model year 2000 might be OBD 1 but they are testing like it's OBD 2. This is a bit of a slog and the usual OT stuff, but there are links and it seems liike this would be something to look at.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...venture-2.html
 

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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 01:56 AM
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[QUOTE=85e150;19965184]Can you fnd the sticker mentioned in post 2?

Pretty sure it would have had a cat. They (there are two, one on each bank) are way upstream, just out of the exhaust headers. EDIT, see above post
Previous discussions:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...em-on-v10.html

OK this one could be the issue. A model year 2000 might be OBD 1 but they are testing like it's OBD 2. This is a bit of a slog and the usual OT stuff, but there are links and it seems liike this would be something to look at.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...venture-2.html[/QUOTE

Here's some pics...

Hood sticker 1

Hood sticker 2

Exhaust, rusted part is pipe from the flange that bolts to rams horn.

This is the flanged end of the pipe from the previous pic, you can see some of the rams horn on the left.
 

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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 07:20 AM
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You have a vehicle with an OBD1 calibration. Most likely the smog tech is testing it wrong and that needs to be corrected first.

It is completely normal for OBD1 vehicles to have "incomplete" monitors for sensors that don't exist.

More reading:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...t-oddness.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...bd1-obdll.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-to-ready.html

 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by charles adams
It was not made in California but in Wisconsin or Minnesota area.
It was made in Kentucky. All Excursions were made in Kentucky.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by projectSHO89
You have a vehicle with an OBD1 calibration. Most likely the smog tech is testing it wrong and that needs to be corrected first.

It is completely normal for OBD1 vehicles to have "incomplete" monitors for sensors that don't exist.

More reading:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...t-oddness.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...bd1-obdll.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-to-ready.html

This is most likely the situation, seem like a fairly common mistake for Techs to make.
Without the cat in place (there should only be one cat, not the two mentioned earlier) I doubt that it will pass a tailpipe sniffer test and will obviously fail a visual inspection of the exhaust.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 01:17 PM
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Any ideas on the exhaust? Not sure if they cut something out. Though, I don't see any wires that aren't connected...
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 01:27 PM
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Though, I don't see any wires that aren't connected...
If you were paying attention, you would know that there are not going to be any loose wires since those sensors were never installed at the factory in the first place.

The "Federal" 2000 6.8L Excursion has only a single converter in the exhaust system, just forward of the muffler (stock configuration). If it's been "deleted", the truck will fail the visual inspection as noted.


 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by projectSHO89
If you were paying attention, you would know that there are not going to be any loose wires since those sensors were never installed at the factory in the first place.

The "Federal" 2000 6.8L Excursion has only a single converter in the exhaust system, just forward of the muffler (stock configuration). If it's been "deleted", the truck will fail the visual inspection as noted.
Just to confirm, there should be a single cat between the rams horn and the muffler?
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by charles adams
Just to confirm, there should be a single cat between the rams horn and the muffler?

Yes, single cat. The twin cats on the downpipes were a thing on the later 3 valve V-10s.
Your cat should be right there where that newish section of pipe is that your pictures showed.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2021 | 04:37 PM
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Anyone know how to actually get an OBD1 smog in CA with an OBD 2 EX? I have the same issue and haven't been able to find anyone in my area that will 1 believe me or 2 look into any more than just going through the OBD 2 motions and then failing because of readiness? Last time I had to have a friend "smog" it but I really don't want to fo down that road again in a few months.
 
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