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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 02:59 PM
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Intermittent electrical & stalling issue

Mark ( @Walleye Hunter ) just called me and told me he is having truck problems a long way from home and is seeking advice. He asked me if I could create this post after we talked about some things for him to look at in order to try and resolve the issue at hand. He is currently outside of Utica NY in "farm country" as he described it and does not have a data signal strong enough to ask for help on the forum.

He was driving while I was talking to him, so he is not dead in the water as of this time. He is having intermittent total loss of power due to the engine dying/shutting off without any warning.

Symptoms and actions taken listed below:
  • Mark is driving an E99 7.3L.
  • He is taking note of when the truck stalls to see if there is a pattern or any similarities.
  • His WIF light would illuminate, so he unplugged the fuel bowl heater, but the problem persists.
  • He is hearing a "clicking in the center of the truck".
  • There is no warning of the truck stalling, but it will start right back up and he can continue on for an undetermined amount of time.

I recommended he look at following areas and call me back:
  • PCM fuse in under dash panel.
  • 42 pin harness over valve cover.
  • PCM secured.
  • PCM 101 pin connector secured.
  • Look for water near the GEM and see if it is loose.
  • Check battery terminals and main engine grounds.
  • IDM connector.
  • Tuner chip. He has a live tune, no chip.
  • I told him the clicking is most likely one of the flasher relays or the fuel pump relay. Might be a cause, but might just be a symptom.
I don't suspect an UVCH or something else that is not total system related since the engine shuts off completely.

My first thought is the issue is electrical or module related due to the way the truck is stalling, then able to come right back on. I suspect a main system connector (PCM / 42 pin / IDM / positive/negative connections) is loose or shorting. His truck does not have the positive terminal block on the driver side wheel well, so I didn't mention that.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions?
 

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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 03:12 PM
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He called me but stupid phone is acting up.

i was going to suggest the same thing as you Sous. Does sound electrical.
Tell him to check for IPR/ICP connectors and the usual CPS and connector.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 03:15 PM
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He called me but stupid phone is acting up.

i was going to suggest the same thing as you Sous. Does sound electrical.
Tell him to check for IPR/ICP connectors and the usual CPS and connector.
Good ideas, I'll pass them along.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 03:19 PM
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He believes the TPS may be acting up based on a "dead spot" in the throttle.

I asked if he has and OBD scan tool or a spare CPS.

Answers were yes and no.

EDIT: He is safely stopped and looking around the truck now.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 03:47 PM
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He is still looking around at things, turns out he DOES have a spare CPS that he can swap in if there is no smoking gun identified.

He found the PCM fuse and didn't say anything about it, so I can only assume it seemed secure and fit snuggly in the contact sleeves.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 04:10 PM
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Hope Mark can get a scanner on it and see if there are any indications of the issue. If the IPR tin nut is on tight, I'd swap out the CPS next. Might need to ohm out the CPS wiring at some point as well.

Found this:



https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...-stalling.html
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 04:11 PM
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I suspect the cps is dying!
 
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Thank you fellas, I have passed along the ideas and information.
 
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The WIF light comes on briefly at start up. As suggested would be looking at main power, battery and cables, ignition switch.
 
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He was not able to identify a smoking gun, so he swapped out the CPS.

No pattern of stalling identified as of yet.

No change in running condition. Still talking to him...
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 06:52 PM
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He is about 1/2 way to camp now and going to try and make it.
 
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There was a lot going on here so I may habe missed it, but anyone suggest the diode in the fuse block? Actually had mine act up yesterday. Seemed a little loose in the slot and every time I would wiggle any of the fuses close by I would hear clicking sound.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2021 | 08:09 PM
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He did check the PCM fuse for a tight fit when he stopped to look for the issue.

I believe he continued on after not finding anything and has been in luck so far.

I don't know if his camp spot will have connectivity or not,but I am hopeful he will be back soon with an update via text or here.
 
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Ok folks, thanks so much for the help. Quick story...after replacing the CPS there was still no change. But by the grace of God, the problem ceased as quickly as it surfaced and I made it to camp. Five hours later than expected but I made it. Took a nap and fired it up for heat (no kidding). It appears as though the fuel pump is not singing its key on song. So now I am in safe harbor with a primary suspect, who could ask for more? Now, is there a relay that I should look at? Which fuse runs the pump? And I don’t have a fusebox map with me so it’s location would be nice too.

Big thanks to Sous and Adam (Freakify) for the help.
 
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Mark, I'm late to this party (what's new?) as usual. Did you crack the fuel drain open after the WIF warning? It might actually have been water in the fuel if you are out in the sticks and you bought fuel out there.
 
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