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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 01:21 AM
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Roller vs Donor

I've been on this forum in the '97 PSD section for a while. This past weekend I picked up this '04 CC dually short bed 4WD PSD 6.0 manual. Engine cranks (I am told) but doesn't run (I am told). I bought it for the running gear, planning to covert my 2WD '97 dually to 4WD, then part out the rest of the donor truck. Before I let the vultures at it, though, I might take a crack at getting it running, especially since that's the best way to initially assess the running gear. Anyone have a handy "PSD 6.0 resurrection script" that I should follow to assess overall engine health? I don't know any history on the vehicle, other than 4 previous owners, all in NorCal, and about 200,000 miles total. Part of me doesn't want to know anything from prior owners, and just do my own detective work. BTW, what's a PSD 6.0 worth if in good running condition? In case I do in fact part out the vehicle. And any input on other components typically of value?




 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 03:58 AM
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This can get you started

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...used-6-0l.html
 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 07:39 AM
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If you don't have a code/data reader, that's step 1.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bismic
Fantastic resource @bismic . Thank you very much.

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If you don't have a code/data reader, that's step 1.
I have a slew of BT OBD II dongles and love using Torque Pro, both diagnostic when wrenching, and generally on the road.

 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 05:03 PM
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The one picture doesn't look too bad - I see some dents in the front bumper and the windshield hit, how is the rest of the outside and the interior? Maybe post up some pics of the engine bay and see what we can tell you from that. I think a dually 4x4 manual trans would be very cool - what's it worth running? These days I don't think you can ask enough - there are some die-hard manual fans that would be licking their chops to get ahold of this bad boy. CA rust free is also a huge bonus...

There are places that are specifically looking for west coast and south west non-runner trucks - but hey if it didn't take much to get it going, why not take the profit yourself???
 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 05:04 PM
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I like your thinking Diesel Dan.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 05:11 PM
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You're doing a good job exploring your options - I'm planning on staying tuned in and see where the adventure goes...

Good luck!
 
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I put Torque Pro to work and found the following fault codes:
  • P0407 - EGR Sensor B Circuit Low
  • P0488 - EGR Throttle Position Control Range/Performance
  • U0155 - Network
  • P1000 - Powertrain -- Tap for multipe descriptions

Any early theories based on the fault codes and engine bay photo below? I know it's not much to go on. Batteries were both dead, and I had to jumper from my '97 F350 to get the OBD II conversation going. Alos noticed none of the dial gauges on the dash were working. Someone before me printed out the fuse map, had the fuse cover off, and had a dozen home made jumpers on the floor. Engine bay looks very stock to my noob 6.0L eye. What do the eagle eyes see?

Body appears very rust free. Possible signs of respray on leading edge of roof. Right rear door won't open, and some signs of slight body panel misalignment. Rear wheel well liners missing. A junkyard mutt? Axle code is 61, brake code is 4, interior trim code is TH, Radio code 7, Transmission code is 7, Spring code is UC. Any surprises there? GVWR 11,000#. Build date 02/04 (early, right?)


 
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Is that the ICP sensor peeking out from the passenger valve cover?
 
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According to the internet:
  • axle code 61 is conventional non-positraction differential, 3.73 ratio
  • transmission code 7 is a six-speed manual, Dana ZF (M6HD-W)
I like the shift pattern on the 6 speed:


 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 09:11 PM
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With those homemade jumpers laying around, it'd prolly be a good idea to check Vref with TorquePro. That's network voltage and should be approximately 5v. If not, if you got a short/ground somewhere, you can get false codes.

SYK, before someone tells you, TorquePro has been known to miss some codes that the Forscan app gets. Since you got the dongle already and got connectivity, for $5 you can download Forscan and get a second opinion.

I don't know what it means, but it's dirty for only 200k. The oil saturation around the turbo and CAC boots is more than I typically see. Have you checked the hour meter? Once you got power, push the odometer button in the dash to cycle over to the hour meter. I assume they had that functionality in the earlier model years.

Oh, you said some dash gauges weren't working, IIRC, not sure if the odometer does. I wonder if that data is available through the OBDII?

 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 09:14 PM
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I do think some Ford truck fanatics would love the whole short bed/dually/manual diesel thing. Not sure where you'd find any of those though. Interior parts are easy enough to find at dismantlers. If it was clean, typical condition, running, I'd guess $6,000-$10,000.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2021 | 09:54 PM
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Thanks for the suggestion on Forscan. Will add that to the toolbox. I'll upload a brief video tour of the engine bay, when I have a bit more bandwidth than my country DSL at the moment.

Here are photos of the front and rear axles. I can make out the Dana logo, but the other digits are a bit hard to make out.


front diff label


left rear wheel


rear differential


right rear wheel


rear diff label
 
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Well it's worth about 5k the way it sits. Running and no CEL I would say it's a 15k truck in nor cal.
 
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I hope you're right. That would be good data to have for my CFO/wife some day.
 
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