How to make perdels work ?
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How to make perdels work ?
So with BWST I tried to see perdels , we went through everything we could thing of and I am still not able to view the ( get them to work at all ). What am I doing wrong , what else can I do ?
many tips that you can provide I would be happy to try
many tips that you can provide I would be happy to try
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Could you restate or copy and past a brief and inclusive list of things you tried?
For example...
1. Warm/hot engine with EOT above 140°
2. Transmission in D with parking brake in
3. Using FORScan Lite to monitor PERDEL PID's
Etc...
This way, people and help will not try to retrace or reccomend steps you have taken. Perhaps you have taken all the right steps, but not in the appropriate sequence. I am interested to see where this thread goes for future reference purposes.
For example...
1. Warm/hot engine with EOT above 140°
2. Transmission in D with parking brake in
3. Using FORScan Lite to monitor PERDEL PID's
Etc...
This way, people and help will not try to retrace or reccomend steps you have taken. Perhaps you have taken all the right steps, but not in the appropriate sequence. I am interested to see where this thread goes for future reference purposes.
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Fleet Mechanic
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From: Albuquerque
Could you restate or copy and past a brief and inclusive list of things you tried?
For example...
1. Warm/hot engine with EOT above 140°
2. Transmission in D with parking brake in
3. Using FORScan Lite to monitor PERDEL PID's
Etc...
This way, people and help will not try to retrace or reccomend steps you have taken. Perhaps you have taken all the right steps, but not in the appropriate sequence. I am interested to see where this thread goes for future reference purposes.
For example...
1. Warm/hot engine with EOT above 140°
2. Transmission in D with parking brake in
3. Using FORScan Lite to monitor PERDEL PID's
Etc...
This way, people and help will not try to retrace or reccomend steps you have taken. Perhaps you have taken all the right steps, but not in the appropriate sequence. I am interested to see where this thread goes for future reference purposes.
You are right i should have posted step i have already tried
I read on the tech page that truck must be warm, so took it out for a drive, hooked up forscan on my laptop fired up the truck , with it in park,with parking brake moved it to drive, tried neutral, even tried it while driving, never got a thing from it, should i have cycled the hey each time i changed selector?
Jeff and i talked about this, His show up once he hits like 120
But you might be right maybe, i am just doing the sequence correctly?
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Does your parking brake light work? IIRC one of the parameters for the test is that switch needs to function.
I think the test will work in Park as well.
Can you read the EOT to confirm the temp is over 140?
I think the test will work in Park as well.
Can you read the EOT to confirm the temp is over 140?
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i did have the chip out when i was looking at perdels, found i was having issues with the IPR,
Jeff actually called me and we talked through this , he was looking at his perdeals trying to talk me through it, Mine still did not work!
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Jeff is a good guy to have around and a wealth of knowledge.
Have you had any IDM problems or replacements, UVCH problems or replacements, PCM problems or replacements?
You using the latest version of FORScan or FSL?
Which FORScan are you using, PC or App?
Have you tried the other version of FORScan to verify PERDEL function or lack there of?
We need to narrow down the commonality since you appear to be meeting the basic requirements.
Have you had any IDM problems or replacements, UVCH problems or replacements, PCM problems or replacements?
You using the latest version of FORScan or FSL?
Which FORScan are you using, PC or App?
Have you tried the other version of FORScan to verify PERDEL function or lack there of?
We need to narrow down the commonality since you appear to be meeting the basic requirements.
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Jeff is a good guy to have around and a wealth of knowledge.
Have you had any IDM problems or replacements, UVCH problems or replacements, PCM problems or replacements?
You using the latest version of FORScan or FSL?
Which FORScan are you using, PC or App?
Have you tried the other version of FORScan to verify PERDEL function or lack there of?
We need to narrow down the commonality since you appear to be meeting the basic requirements.
Have you had any IDM problems or replacements, UVCH problems or replacements, PCM problems or replacements?
You using the latest version of FORScan or FSL?
Which FORScan are you using, PC or App?
Have you tried the other version of FORScan to verify PERDEL function or lack there of?
We need to narrow down the commonality since you appear to be meeting the basic requirements.
Yes Jeff went out of his way to help me reading those graphs,
I do see on my pcm is is refurbished, PO must have done that
everything else is OEM as far as i know
I do believe there is an update for my forscan on the laptop, i will check that out
never really use the iphone app it is very limited IMHO
At this point the truck is running Great thanks to Jeff, just curious as to why i can get perdels to work, kinda kicks my ocd into high gear!
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The first time I spoke to Jeff I was actually in the hospital with my mother just before we took her home for hospice care. We discussed the PID Charting Tool 1st edition and it was a welcome break from the stress of the events leading up to the phone conversation. We have hopes to meet Jeff when we are out in ID this summer and if that doesn't work out, most definitely in the future as we travel into and around WA and OR.
I don't suspect that is an issue as everything else seems to operate fun electronically as far as accessories and engine running conditions correct?
Good.
Please do and let us know what happens. Just to be clear, you are able to run a buzz test and monitor other PID's like MFDES, FIPW, EOT, etc? Are there ANY PID's that have come back with erroneous readings (other than ECT) or made you raise an eyebrow. I am attempting to establish a common failure or narrow the issue down.
Did you mess with the unit of measurement or anything else inside the PERDEL PID's? You know how sometimes we have to set it to Fahrenheit or change the scale, that is what I am referring to.
I don't think the iPhone has a functioning FSL app, but I could be wrong. Do you have access to a Android device, even if it is a family members or an old one that the cell service was removed from. FSL costs $5 on Google Play, but if you can get PERDEL's working on another device, then we can assume that either the FORScan full version or your PC has an issue with it. If the PERDEL's still do not work on FSL, then we can assume there is an issue with the PCM or PID somewhere.
See where I am going with this?
Understood and I think we can get it sorted out, just need you to keep talking to us and maybe make a few moves you would not normally perform. If this becomes too much of a pain in the *** and you just want to leave it be and drive the truck, there are no obligations to move forward.
I don't suspect that is an issue as everything else seems to operate fun electronically as far as accessories and engine running conditions correct?
Good.
Did you mess with the unit of measurement or anything else inside the PERDEL PID's? You know how sometimes we have to set it to Fahrenheit or change the scale, that is what I am referring to.
I don't think the iPhone has a functioning FSL app, but I could be wrong. Do you have access to a Android device, even if it is a family members or an old one that the cell service was removed from. FSL costs $5 on Google Play, but if you can get PERDEL's working on another device, then we can assume that either the FORScan full version or your PC has an issue with it. If the PERDEL's still do not work on FSL, then we can assume there is an issue with the PCM or PID somewhere.
See where I am going with this?
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The first time I spoke to Jeff I was actually in the hospital with my mother just before we took her home for hospice care. We discussed the PID Charting Tool 1st edition and it was a welcome break from the stress of the events leading up to the phone conversation. We have hopes to meet Jeff when we are out in ID this summer and if that doesn't work out, most definitely in the future as we travel into and around WA and OR.
I don't suspect that is an issue as everything else seems to operate fun electronically as far as accessories and engine running conditions correct?
Good.
Please do and let us know what happens. Just to be clear, you are able to run a buzz test and monitor other PID's like MFDES, FIPW, EOT, etc? Are there ANY PID's that have come back with erroneous readings (other than ECT) or made you raise an eyebrow. I am attempting to establish a common failure or narrow the issue down.
Did you mess with the unit of measurement or anything else inside the PERDEL PID's? You know how sometimes we have to set it to Fahrenheit or change the scale, that is what I am referring to.
I will do that update and rerun tests
Have not noticed anything else odd
I don't think the iPhone has a functioning FSL app, but I could be wrong. Do you have access to a Android device, even if it is a family members or an old one that the cell service was removed from. FSL costs $5 on Google Play, but if you can get PERDEL's working on another device, then we can assume that either the FORScan full version or your PC has an issue with it. If the PERDEL's still do not work on FSL, then we can assume there is an issue with the PCM or PID somewhere.
My laptop is windows based, phone is fruity!
See where I am going with this?
Understood and I think we can get it sorted out, just need you to keep talking to us and maybe make a few moves you would not normally perform. If this becomes too much of a pain in the *** and you just want to leave it be and drive the truck, there are no obligations to move forward.
I don't suspect that is an issue as everything else seems to operate fun electronically as far as accessories and engine running conditions correct?
Good.
Please do and let us know what happens. Just to be clear, you are able to run a buzz test and monitor other PID's like MFDES, FIPW, EOT, etc? Are there ANY PID's that have come back with erroneous readings (other than ECT) or made you raise an eyebrow. I am attempting to establish a common failure or narrow the issue down.
Did you mess with the unit of measurement or anything else inside the PERDEL PID's? You know how sometimes we have to set it to Fahrenheit or change the scale, that is what I am referring to.
I will do that update and rerun tests
Have not noticed anything else odd
I don't think the iPhone has a functioning FSL app, but I could be wrong. Do you have access to a Android device, even if it is a family members or an old one that the cell service was removed from. FSL costs $5 on Google Play, but if you can get PERDEL's working on another device, then we can assume that either the FORScan full version or your PC has an issue with it. If the PERDEL's still do not work on FSL, then we can assume there is an issue with the PCM or PID somewhere.
My laptop is windows based, phone is fruity!
See where I am going with this?
Understood and I think we can get it sorted out, just need you to keep talking to us and maybe make a few moves you would not normally perform. If this becomes too much of a pain in the *** and you just want to leave it be and drive the truck, there are no obligations to move forward.
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ok well with new updated forscan, tried everything
parkingbrake on in park , pb on in drive ,pb on nutral tried cycling the key with each change aswell still a no go
oh well not going to worry about it everything seems fine just wondered what there was to see!
parkingbrake on in park , pb on in drive ,pb on nutral tried cycling the key with each change aswell still a no go
oh well not going to worry about it everything seems fine just wondered what there was to see!