Programmer that won't void warranty ????
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Programmer that won't void warranty ????
OK Diesel brethren !!! What programmer is available (best) for my 2019 duece w/ the 6.7Dsl ??? My warranty is 100K .. i really don't want to void that... but, i need to be able to adjust my tire size (35's) vs speed, miles etc and i'd like to have something to up my HP & MPG ?? I also want as much diagnostic display as possible ? I had an Edge on my old 7.3.. but, I think there likely much improved ones out now...
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There most definitely will be a trace if someone is inclined and follows the warranty analysis shop guide. The TCM stores and records all the output torque values, they will show as exceeded. The guide also goes into piston spray pattern and skirt scuffing.
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Boost pressure, fuel pressure and output torque amoung a bunch of other things, yea as was stated it will be obvious to anyone looking. Cj
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Ok, so let’s go one step further, a piggy bank tuner is not nearly as easily detected as one that overwrites like an SCT. If you have a completely catestrophic engine failure due to improper tuning and try to pass it off as warranty work, you’re going to get caught. Simply being able to unplug and remove a piggy back tuner quickly takes that out of the equation if you have minor warranty work otherwise, a dealer could get caught up on the tune and blame everything on that, even if it’s not the cause. Unplugging and removing a piggy back tuner, for standard or routine work, no one would be the wiser that it was ever there.
Even with an overwrite tune, it does not flat out void the warranty to the letter of the law. They still have to prove that the tune is what caused the warrantied part to fail. That said, that’s an uphill battle with engine parts on a tuned vehicle.
Even with an overwrite tune, it does not flat out void the warranty to the letter of the law. They still have to prove that the tune is what caused the warrantied part to fail. That said, that’s an uphill battle with engine parts on a tuned vehicle.
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What happens is that they detect the tune and refuse to do warranty work. How are you going to force them to do warranty repairs?
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OK Diesel brethren !!! What programmer is available (best) for my 2019 duece w/ the 6.7Dsl ??? My warranty is 100K .. i really don't want to void that... but, i need to be able to adjust my tire size (35's) vs speed, miles etc and i'd like to have something to up my HP & MPG ?? I also want as much diagnostic display as possible ? I had an Edge on my old 7.3.. but, I think there likely much improved ones out now...
Use the tuner after the manufacturers warranty has expired.
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That is just flat out wrong. Any good Ford tech knows how to determine if there EVER was a tune, whether it was an overwrite or a piggyback. They are 100% detectable.
Yes, that's how it is supposed to work. No, that isn't what happens in reality.
What happens is that they detect the tune and refuse to do warranty work. How are you going to force them to do warranty repairs?
Yes, that's how it is supposed to work. No, that isn't what happens in reality.
What happens is that they detect the tune and refuse to do warranty work. How are you going to force them to do warranty repairs?
i did say it would be an uphill battle if you get into the Magnuson-Moss act debate with a dealer.
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Don’t listen to this. I have the Banks Derringer and pedal monster on my 2019 6.7. Have had to take the truck in for a check engine light due to a glow plug module needing replacement and had no issues with warranty. In full disclosure, I did uninstall both to play it safe before taking to the dealership , which takes 10 minutes tops.
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Don’t listen to this. I have the Banks Derringer and pedal monster on my 2019 6.7. Have had to take the truck in for a check engine light due to a glow plug module needing replacement and had no issues with warranty. In full disclosure, I did uninstall both to play it safe before taking to the dealership , which takes 10 minutes tops.
Not like Mark spent decades working for Ford engineering or anything..... You do know Ford spends plenty of money investigating failures to the point they have a field checklist to void repairs. The one that covers Diesel engines is available online from the service portal and cannot be posted here but here is the one for gas engines and it can be posted.
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under what circumstances would a good tech even go sniffing for any trace of a piggy back? If you’re talking catastrophic failure, sure, routine stuff though, how would they determine a piggy back was ever there? If you bring in a truck for warranty and the engine is completely toast, sure, Ford is going to dig in. I’m learning something new here which would mean Gale Banks is a bold face liar with his claims.
i did say it would be an uphill battle if you get into the Magnuson-Moss act debate with a dealer.
i did say it would be an uphill battle if you get into the Magnuson-Moss act debate with a dealer.
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But bro, black smoke and rollin’ coal is much cooler.
cracks me up when diesel owners wanna “up their power”. For real, how many actual owners are maxing them out? The dudes with the 24x14’s on low pro tires definitely aren’t. Stock is king.
cracks me up when diesel owners wanna “up their power”. For real, how many actual owners are maxing them out? The dudes with the 24x14’s on low pro tires definitely aren’t. Stock is king.