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Old Dec 7, 2020 | 01:26 PM
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rear drums sticking

On my 1955 ford f100 I rolled it'd out into the driveway brakes worked fine. Went to put the truck back into the garage there is a small incline. When applying the brakes I noticed the rear drums dragging. I stepped on the brakes again and they released. But applying the brakes again the same thing happened. I have bled the brakes and adjusted the rear shoes. And it happened again. Any ideas? Maybe springs need replacement? This truck has been upgraded to power brakes from cpp. Also when I pulled on the emergency brake lever it doesn't hold the truck as well as it should I really have to pull hard on the lever. Any ideas will be appreciated.
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Old Dec 7, 2020 | 02:37 PM
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Leading vs. Trailing Shoes

As I recall, the trailing brake shoe (facing the vehicle rear) has more friction material than the leading shoe because of the dynamics of apply. Could you maybe have these shoes installed opposite of the correct orientation? That could a shoe sticking on.

 
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 12:06 AM
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Oddly enough, if you don't have the shoes adjusted tight enough, they can stick too.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 12:33 AM
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On the rear drums the bottom spring I’d hitting the adjusting wheel on adjuster. When I adjusted the rear brakes I made it a little loose. Should I adjust it tighter? When I loosened up the adjustment you had to pull up on the emergency brake lever a lot. I guess I should start by adjusting the brakes a little tighter. Now on the the brake shoes how do you tell primary shoes?
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 01:28 AM
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The primary brake shoe is the front shoe and is should have a shorter length of lining material ion it than the secondary (rear) shoe. Each drum brake is set up that way. The secondary (rear) shoe has more lining because it does more of the braking. When moving forward and the brakes are applied, when the front (primary) shoe contacts the brake drum, the rotation of the drum will rotate the shoes putting additional force between the rear (secondary) shoe and the drum. I think they called this brake shoe arrangement duo-servo. To get an idea of what happens, after the shoes and all springs and parts are installed on the backing plate grab the brake shoes near the bottom in the adjuster area and rock the assembly front to back.

When adjusted correctly there should be a very slight amount of rubbing between the brake shoes and the drum. Better off a little loose than a little tight so ease into it. The shoes will burn up if the adjustment is too tight (they will not wear in). When adjusting the rear drum brakes make certain there is slack in the emergency brake cable.

Another thing to look for are wear grooves in the backing plate where the shoes rub. It's very common and the shoes can potentially get stuck in those grooves. Wear grooves usually need to be welded then ground and blended to repair them.

The bottom spring hitting the adjuster wheel is correct. It prevents the adjuster from rotating on its own.

If you end up needing any springs I have some Reybestos spring kit part numbers. They are for 1960's F100's with the same size drum brakes and were identical to the old springs I removed on my 1956. Plus you can get them most anywhere and much less expensive than purchasing springs one at a time from Mid-Fifty.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 05:03 AM
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Have you replaced the brake fluid lately?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 07:40 AM
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The primary brake shoe is the front shoe and is should have a shorter length of lining material ion it than the secondary (rear) shoe. Each drum brake is set up that way. The secondary (rear) shoe has more lining because it does more of the braking. When moving forward and the brakes are applied, when the front (primary) shoe contacts the brake drum, the rotation of the drum will rotate the shoes putting additional force between the rear (secondary) shoe and the drum. I think they called this brake shoe arrangement duo-servo. To get an idea of what happens, after the shoes and all springs and parts are installed on the backing plate grab the brake shoes near the bottom in the adjuster area and rock the assembly front to back.

When adjusted correctly there should be a very slight amount of rubbing between the brake shoes and the drum. Better off a little loose than a little tight so ease into it. The shoes will burn up if the adjustment is too tight (they will not wear in). When adjusting the rear drum brakes make certain there is slack in the emergency brake cable.

Another thing to look for are wear grooves in the backing plate where the shoes rub. It's very common and the shoes can potentially get stuck in those grooves. Wear grooves usually need to be welded then ground and blended to repair them.

The bottom spring hitting the adjuster wheel is correct. It prevents the adjuster from rotating on its own.

If you end up needing any springs I have some Reybestos spring kit part numbers. They are for 1960's F100's with the same size drum brakes and were identical to the old springs I removed on my 1956. Plus you can get them most anywhere and much less expensive than purchasing springs one at a time from Mid-Fifty.
Another reason the trailing (secondary) shoe has more friction area is that, during a stop from forward motion, the wheel rotation increases the apply force on the leading shoe while decreasing it on the trailing shoe. The additional material makes up for some of the imbalance. Here is a better explanation: https://what-when-how.com/automobile...es-automobile/

 
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 10:07 PM
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Hi thanks everyone for all the information. I took off all my tires and looked at everything. The rear brakes needed to be adjusted they had to much play. And the shoes where installed correctly. The short shoes where mounted towards the front and the rear has the larger shoe. The front disc brakes had a high spot on the rotor. The rotor had rust so I sanded it a little. Now the rotor turns smoothly. Then I backed the truck and went forward and no sticking. I’m going to drive it a little and see if all goes well.
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Another item with drum brakes, there should be a small amount of white lithium grease on the backing plates where the brakes shoes rub. I've seen some people use anti-seize compound instead of white lithium grease. Consequently, these are the areas on the backing plates that get grooves worn into them from the brake shoes.
 
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