When will it stop!
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From: Chaz
Making a car E100 capable, or E85 for that matter, doesn’t mean they actually run it. Knowing central and South America politics they probably mandate E100 capable and only 2 gas stations in the country offer it.
I think ethanol pollutes more too? Its just renewable so the math is different.
But regardless getting way off track now...
I think ethanol pollutes more too? Its just renewable so the math is different.
But regardless getting way off track now...
Fleet Owner
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From: Brentwood,CA
The current mandate is 25 percent ethanol in gasoline set June 1, 2007. Brazil aggressively developed cars that operated only on 100 percent ethanol. In 1979 the Fiat 147 was the first modern car to run on pure ethanol. By 1988 almost 90 percent of all new cars manufactured in Brazil were E100 (alcohol only) cars.
So by now, all cars made are E100.... made by suger cane....
So by now, all cars made are E100.... made by suger cane....
You know the E100 requirement died when they ran out of Ethanol in the early 90's. The current rules there are 27% ethanol and 10% biodiesel.
https://www.transportpolicy.net/stan...ty%20criteria.
https://www.extension.iastate.edu/ag.../HofFeb09.html
Junior User
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From: Near Lake Ontario
Agreed.. the sky is the limit for bells and whistles. People are buying these $85k trucks because they can get more for less, compared to luxury cars. I just took delivery of a new F350 XLT...set up for towing. $65k is a lot for a truck! I remember buying a 1977 f150 XLT loaded for $7700 list.
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
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From: Texas
Agreed.. the sky is the limit for bells and whistles. People are buying these $85k trucks because they can get more for less, compared to luxury cars. I just took delivery of a new F350 XLT...set up for towing. $65k is a lot for a truck! I remember buying a 1977 f150 XLT loaded for $7700 list.
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
Oh Califonicators love wind power...........as long as the pinwheels are someplace else!!!!!!
All other states should levy a huge tax on Californicate! Just for general principle
Fleet Owner
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Pure money makers! I will retire off of them, they are great for breaking down and GE won't stand behind them. Really fun trying to change the gear box oil using a 250' suction hose you have to drag up the stairs from the truck.
Laughing Gas
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From: Seattle area, WA USA
Agreed.. the sky is the limit for bells and whistles. People are buying these $85k trucks because they can get more for less, compared to luxury cars. I just took delivery of a new F350 XLT...set up for towing. $65k is a lot for a truck! I remember buying a 1977 f150 XLT loaded for $7700 list.
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
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From: Chaz
Agreed.. the sky is the limit for bells and whistles. People are buying these $85k trucks because they can get more for less, compared to luxury cars. I just took delivery of a new F350 XLT...set up for towing. $65k is a lot for a truck! I remember buying a 1977 f150 XLT loaded for $7700 list.
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
Do people think that EVs are environmentally friendly? How many fossil fueled power plants will be needed to charge them up? Remember.. The California "green ECO nuts" don't like wind or nuclear either. Also. Where will they be charged when you are out in remote areas, with a large load? What about the team drivers that keep on rolling? How much time will be added to a trip for recharge?
They are a bargain compared to luxury SUVs.
Fleet Owner
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From: Brentwood,CA
The 800hp would be sweet. The closest I get to that is my new 2021 389 Pete with its 605hp/2050TQ and its a blast especially bobtailing.
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From: SW VA
Agree. But there are actually multiple reasons:
1. The current software and sensor systems do not fully recognize the conditions that we drive our trucks in. Fortunately, this should improve over time as they increase in capability.
There shouldn't be any software or sensors monitoring the conditions I drive in. It's an unnecessary nanny that gives bad drivers overconfidence.
2. There are passenger safety and vehicle integrity issues that the systems try to account for. This is the "nanny" you reference. Hopefully some of this will improve as well if possible, but unfortunately some of it is related to lawyers and also the fact that more people are commuting instead of hauling in trucks, so the eye of Sauron is turning our way.
Again, there should be no nannies between the throttle pedal and the engine.
3. There are limits on the torque that the trans, transfer case, diffs, shafts, leaf springs, and axles can handle. I've seen a couple posts here of folks experiencing axle wrap and even having to add traction bars to compensate
Then the manufacturers shouldn't be pumping out big numbers if the components can't handle it. That's false advertisement. They say I have 1050ft-lbs, but I can't use it except for in some tiny perfect scenario they programed. But in reality...yes, the components can handle it. There's A LOT of deleted/tuned 6.0 & 6.4 trucks making more power than any stock 6.7L, and running older "weaker" components. A friend of mine had a 600hp/1400ft-lb 6.4L and daily drove it and did truck stuff for years. And axle wrap has been a thing since the first truck with leaf springs rolled out of the factory...and muscle cars of the 60's-70's make anti-axle-wrap products big business. A simple stick of DOM tube and a couple heim joints solves axle wrap. The trans is rated for 1400ft-lbs...axles can handle it fine as traction is their 'fuse' Sterling 10.5's have been holding high HP 6.0/6.4's for years. The t-case might be the weak link, but I'm not sure on the specs of it...
4. The final one of course, is tire traction. This is a limit even if there are no nannies and you are OK with twisting your driveshaft.
Exactly. Traction should be the only driving nanny on a truck. If a semi doesn't twist it's driveshaft with over 2000+ ft-lbs, then a SD shouldn't with less than half the torque. Companies should invest less in touchscreen/wifi hotspot/blindspot/crap and more in strengthening the "weak links"
1. The current software and sensor systems do not fully recognize the conditions that we drive our trucks in. Fortunately, this should improve over time as they increase in capability.
There shouldn't be any software or sensors monitoring the conditions I drive in. It's an unnecessary nanny that gives bad drivers overconfidence.
2. There are passenger safety and vehicle integrity issues that the systems try to account for. This is the "nanny" you reference. Hopefully some of this will improve as well if possible, but unfortunately some of it is related to lawyers and also the fact that more people are commuting instead of hauling in trucks, so the eye of Sauron is turning our way.
Again, there should be no nannies between the throttle pedal and the engine.
3. There are limits on the torque that the trans, transfer case, diffs, shafts, leaf springs, and axles can handle. I've seen a couple posts here of folks experiencing axle wrap and even having to add traction bars to compensate
Then the manufacturers shouldn't be pumping out big numbers if the components can't handle it. That's false advertisement. They say I have 1050ft-lbs, but I can't use it except for in some tiny perfect scenario they programed. But in reality...yes, the components can handle it. There's A LOT of deleted/tuned 6.0 & 6.4 trucks making more power than any stock 6.7L, and running older "weaker" components. A friend of mine had a 600hp/1400ft-lb 6.4L and daily drove it and did truck stuff for years. And axle wrap has been a thing since the first truck with leaf springs rolled out of the factory...and muscle cars of the 60's-70's make anti-axle-wrap products big business. A simple stick of DOM tube and a couple heim joints solves axle wrap. The trans is rated for 1400ft-lbs...axles can handle it fine as traction is their 'fuse' Sterling 10.5's have been holding high HP 6.0/6.4's for years. The t-case might be the weak link, but I'm not sure on the specs of it...
4. The final one of course, is tire traction. This is a limit even if there are no nannies and you are OK with twisting your driveshaft.
Exactly. Traction should be the only driving nanny on a truck. If a semi doesn't twist it's driveshaft with over 2000+ ft-lbs, then a SD shouldn't with less than half the torque. Companies should invest less in touchscreen/wifi hotspot/blindspot/crap and more in strengthening the "weak links"
Just my thoughts...
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Ford still has the HP advantage. And whether anyone believes it or not, that DOES make a difference. My 2016 F350 DRW PSD with 3.73 gears @ 440 HP but “only” 860 lb ft torque will out pull my 2018 RAM 3500 DRW with 4.10 gears @ 385 HP and 950 lb ft torque. That is pulling the same trailers in the same areas on the same roads using the same fuel.
And for those that don’t know how to use Ford’ exhaust brake.........The RAM still has nothing over on Ford there either. Learn how to use Ford’s EB and it is fine. 2 miles of 6% grade and a stop light at the bottom.....top the hill @ 70 with 18000 lb pushing me and never touch the service brake until about 150 ft from the light. RAM doesn’t do any better.
And for those that don’t know how to use Ford’ exhaust brake.........The RAM still has nothing over on Ford there either. Learn how to use Ford’s EB and it is fine. 2 miles of 6% grade and a stop light at the bottom.....top the hill @ 70 with 18000 lb pushing me and never touch the service brake until about 150 ft from the light. RAM doesn’t do any better.
Hotshot
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From: Chaz
Less parts so less to mess with. One thing I loved about my 5.9 and I kept that sucker clean so you could see all the nice shiny lines and stupid simple design.
You dont see many powerstrokes.
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Yep! Hunny wanted a new Tahoe. $65K. Its a nice car but talk about over priced! The most expensive pickup on the lot was a nice four door, 4wd, sticker $55K.
Like several dealerships of the big three i have visited lately, not alot of new vehicles and it appears they inventory used stuff to fill the lots?
Like several dealerships of the big three i have visited lately, not alot of new vehicles and it appears they inventory used stuff to fill the lots?
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