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Old Nov 14, 2020 | 10:58 PM
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Cargo/towing weights for new camper

Im sure these questions get old and I apologize. I have a 2017 F150, CC, 3.5EB, 3.55, Max tow w/ 5'.5" bed. Looking at the 2017 brochure it appeared I have 2030lbs of cargo capacity and 11,600 towing. My door sticker says 1668lbs. The trailer im looking at is a 20201 Rockwood Ultralite 2912( 950lbs hitch, dry 7900lbsUVW, w/1900 CCC.) I went and hit the Cat scales tonight with basically everything/everyone I would have in the truck when towing(full tank of gas). Is this trailer way out of my trucks towing capabilities? Thanks in advance for your input

this is with a full tank of gas and everything I would have in the truck before adding the trailer


 
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Old Nov 14, 2020 | 11:16 PM
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The door sticker is your cargo capacity as it left the factory. Anything you add to your truck decreases cargo capacity. The cargo capacity you pulled out of the 2017 brochure is for a stripped down model. An XL with none of the bells and whistles.

The trailer weights you're looking at are similarly for a stripped down trailer with no options. Nobody goes off of dry weight (UVW) because nobody goes camping with nothing in the trailer. Look at the GVWR of the trailer and figure 15% of that will be your tongue weight.

The heavier the trailer, the harder your truck has to work to pull it. The closer you get to your capacities, the more wear and tear you'll put on your vehicle. When you push the limits, the drive becomes less pleasant.

You have a potential 9800 lb trailer. My trailer is 11K GVWR. My 1 ton F-350 knows that trailer is back there. With the towing experience I have now (used to tow with a 1/2 ton) I would find a trailer that isn't as heavy and not as long. That is a very long trailer, especially for a 1/2 ton truck.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 03:38 AM
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If you want to stay legal/within GVWR and GAWR, you appear to have already exceeded your truck's capabilities. According to what you have posted you are already over the front axle rating and have 160lbs left under the GVWR for tongue weight. Anyone feel free to correct me if my math is wrong, or I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like you need to look into a lighter trailer and find a way to shift a bunch of your cargo weight from the truck to the trailer to allow enough overhead to tow anything.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 06:55 AM
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Yes, according to the numbers, that TT is way out the capability of your truck as loaded above. As noted, you are already over weight on your front axle and only have 160 pounds left of your GVWR, that loaded TT will most likely have 1100/1200 lbs of tongue weight plus the weight of a good WD hitch system with built in sway control, I don't see how you could get all the math to balance that out.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 06:58 AM
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1/2 ton trucks always succumb to payload before it reaches max towing capacity.

As mentioned, it's always a good idea to go by trailers GVWR vs dry weight.
We're on our 4th trailer and each one scale weighed much closer to GVWR and no where near dry weight.

Your ever so close to F250 territory with that +1000 lb tounge.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 07:27 AM
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Thank you everyone for your input. All very helpful information. It is much appreciated.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 07:27 AM
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I have similar truck as you, a bit better payload. You might be able to pull that trailer, but the frontal and side winds will push you around like a ragdoll. IMO, Short wheelbase F150s should not pull over 25' or 8k pounds. People do it, not my cup of tea. All these weight specs in brochures are flatbed steel cargo; nothing like real world travel trailer experience. Marketing hype.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 10:04 AM
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Why are you so heavy on the front axle?
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 06:48 PM
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I have a Ranchhand front and back bumper. The front one is around 150lbs. I also have a 6" RC lift with full Vertex coilovers.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 06:59 PM
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We went with a different model. 5' shorter and little over 1000lbs lighter. hitch weight decreased by 300lbs. I also plan to move most of my toolbox non-necessities back in the garage or keep in the coach. Thats probably 250+lbs. Also the Ole lady is starting her diet tonight.lol.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jfletcher72
We went with a different model. 5' shorter and little over 1000lbs lighter. hitch weight decreased by 300lbs. I also plan to move most of my toolbox non-necessities back in the garage or keep in the coach. Thats probably 250+lbs. Also the Ole lady is starting her diet tonight.lol.
With the numbers you gave us, you probably should’ve gone for a unit that was about 3-4,000lbs lighter (with your truck I’d stay with a rig with a GVWR around 5,000lbs). Especially because you’ve negatively altered (raised) the CoG of your truck and likely lessened it’s load carrying capacity with your coil-overs. You built your F-150 into a pre-runner/off-roader/mall-crawler. As designed from the factory your F-150 was limited as an RV tow vehicle and every modification you made lessened that ability. I hope you are taking short trips on flat ground off of the freeway.

EDIT: For example, my KZ Connect has an UVW from the manufacturer of 6,170lbs, a “hitch weight” of 730lbs, and a GVWR of 8,000lbs. Loaded to camp it weighed ~7985lbs on the cat scale with a tongue weight of ~1,050lbs.
 
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