1964 Steering Column manual 3OTT
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1964 Steering Column manual 3OTT
My phase 2 resto is the steering column. Phase 1 replaced the cab and radiator bushings.
It’s nearly impossible to get into 1st. It will pop out of reverse. 2nd & 3rd are solid.
The gap was removed in the top of the steering column. , Phase 2 I’ll pull the column out and replace any broken or worn out parts.
I have the bracket that mounts to the bottom of the dash...and that’s it.
I’m told that on the ‘64, there aren’t any mounts to the cab floor like the ‘65.
Did I hear right?
Does the column just mount onto the steering gear?
If so, should the steering gear get rebuilt too.
I did replace a couple of bushings last year to the rods that go into the gates in the bottom of the steering column.
Any hints or links are appreciated. I have the exploded views, just not sure what I’m looking at.
Yes, a real noob here.
Thanks
rtc
It’s nearly impossible to get into 1st. It will pop out of reverse. 2nd & 3rd are solid.
The gap was removed in the top of the steering column. , Phase 2 I’ll pull the column out and replace any broken or worn out parts.
I have the bracket that mounts to the bottom of the dash...and that’s it.
I’m told that on the ‘64, there aren’t any mounts to the cab floor like the ‘65.
Did I hear right?
Does the column just mount onto the steering gear?
If so, should the steering gear get rebuilt too.
I did replace a couple of bushings last year to the rods that go into the gates in the bottom of the steering column.
Any hints or links are appreciated. I have the exploded views, just not sure what I’m looking at.
Yes, a real noob here.
Thanks
rtc
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Popping out of gear usually caused by worn brass syncro blocker rings. There are two types for the 3.03
(1) on the first gear syncro, (2) on the 2nd/3rd gear syncro. Same ones used 1963/87.
(1) on the first gear syncro, (2) on the 2nd/3rd gear syncro. Same ones used 1963/87.
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Thanks Bill. I see you have re-answered this same question from other newbies over the years (I dug into figure out where that synchro blocker ring was)
I appreciate the quick response!
Next steps for someone like me (newbie) is to take the transmission to a shop and have them replace these parts ?
Is there anything else I should be aware of when they open the transmission?
One more Q, is the bracket under the dashboard for the steering the only support? And then the steering gear connects to and supports the bottom of the shaft?
Thanks again, glad your back.
After phase 1 restoration, I needed a break...so did my wallet.
Ralph
I appreciate the quick response!
Next steps for someone like me (newbie) is to take the transmission to a shop and have them replace these parts ?
Is there anything else I should be aware of when they open the transmission?
One more Q, is the bracket under the dashboard for the steering the only support? And then the steering gear connects to and supports the bottom of the shaft?
Thanks again, glad your back.
After phase 1 restoration, I needed a break...so did my wallet.
Ralph
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The 3.03 toploaders are tough, one of the best transmissions ever made. You'll find them in a lot of non-Ford vehicles too. Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buicks, jeeps. Strange, but true.
The three speed doesn't get a lot of lovin' though, it's the 4 speed that everyone caters to. The gasket and parts kits should pretty much be the same though, the parts that need replacing. The kits are about $100 bones, they should be easy to freshen up for a tranny shop.
One thing about the steering column and the innards, the shop manual for 64 doesn't have anything for it. It's as it doesn't exist. Guess they just looked at it, and said "forget it".
The three speed doesn't get a lot of lovin' though, it's the 4 speed that everyone caters to. The gasket and parts kits should pretty much be the same though, the parts that need replacing. The kits are about $100 bones, they should be easy to freshen up for a tranny shop.
One thing about the steering column and the innards, the shop manual for 64 doesn't have anything for it. It's as it doesn't exist. Guess they just looked at it, and said "forget it".
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The 3.03 toploaders are tough, one of the best transmissions ever made. You'll find them in a lot of non-Ford vehicles too. Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buicks, jeeps. Strange, but true.
The three speed doesn't get a lot of lovin' though, it's the 4 speed that everyone caters to. The gasket and parts kits should pretty much be the same though, the parts that need replacing. The kits are about $100 bones, they should be easy to freshen up for a tranny shop.
One thing about the steering column and the innards, the shop manual for 64 doesn't have anything for it. It's as it doesn't exist. Guess they just looked at it, and said "forget it".
The three speed doesn't get a lot of lovin' though, it's the 4 speed that everyone caters to. The gasket and parts kits should pretty much be the same though, the parts that need replacing. The kits are about $100 bones, they should be easy to freshen up for a tranny shop.
One thing about the steering column and the innards, the shop manual for 64 doesn't have anything for it. It's as it doesn't exist. Guess they just looked at it, and said "forget it".
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@NumberDummy Bill I don't think so. What I mean by that, there are exploded diagrams for everything in the manual, and of course step by step instructions for maintenance, disassembly and reassembly for everything including the engine, carburetor, generator, transmission, differential. Everything. But Nothing for the steering column. Seems strange to me, but I'll take your word for it.
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@NumberDummy Bill I don't think so. What I mean by that, there are exploded diagrams for everything in the manual, and of course step by step instructions for maintenance, disassembly and reassembly for everything including the engine, carburetor, generator, transmission, differential. Everything. But Nothing for the steering column. Seems strange to me, but I'll take your word for it.
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@NumberDummy Bill is there a parts diagram showing the shift tubes and bearings and such? That might be helpful to the OP. I just thought it was strange the shop manual doesn't have that stuff. It does go into lining up or adjusting the shift levers on the transmission, and that's about it.
There is a pretty good page over at Fordification I think it is, where somebody wrote up a nice article on disassembly, repair and reassembly with lots of pics. The shift tube gets pretty sloppy with long use, and pieces start breaking.
There is a pretty good page over at Fordification I think it is, where somebody wrote up a nice article on disassembly, repair and reassembly with lots of pics. The shift tube gets pretty sloppy with long use, and pieces start breaking.
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Question about the steering column, mentioned here:3OT.
There was a gap in the top of the collar and the steering wheel, (see attached photo, with the gap). We loosened the top bolts on the bracket that holds the column to the dashboard and and the column slid up to close the gap...is that sop? Or should I be looking for something down below that needs fixing in the steering gear?
rtc
There was a gap in the top of the collar and the steering wheel, (see attached photo, with the gap). We loosened the top bolts on the bracket that holds the column to the dashboard and and the column slid up to close the gap...is that sop? Or should I be looking for something down below that needs fixing in the steering gear?
rtc
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