Read the 6.0 PSD forum lately? I bet there'll be a class action suit sooner or later on that one.

 

You need to talk to the International/Ford engineers like I did. They've been working 24/7 to solve those early problems. Several design changes have been made that eliminate those issues and the '04 engines are good, slightly louder, but still without the problems.

 

so whats this piston slap sound like? just a knocking sound?

 

It sounds like a diesel kind of. Not quite as loud though. There is a very distinct difference between piston slap and just loose rocker arms. You hear it when the vehicle is under a load, and you step on the gas too hard, or if the ignition timing is off.

 

KTMGUY70 hate to get in this but the tranny guy in my town at (Auto-trans Specialists) is driving a Jaguar top of the line. Longview, Washington. But I must admit that I doubt any of the newest vehicles out have that bad of a tranny. My tranny guy who is also a friend of mine says that the most problematic transmissions he's been seeing lately are in the cummins powered Dodge, which is to bad I kinda like there new look. However Iam a diehard ford loyalist. I guess that as long as I have good luck with them I will always be.
My 91 Bronco has 225k and my 97 Taurus, used mainly for bussiness most of its life, has 175k both great running vehicles.
I still cant understand why some people think only Toyotas will go the extra distance!? What TOTAL B.S. Living proof of otherwise!!!

 

I cannot say I have heard the piston slap of the new Vortec motors, but I also have been living on the other side of the world for the past 12 months! I seem to recall hearing about these motors having to be replaced or something like that quite some time ago.

 

Hmmmm, there are 305,000 miles on my C6. And the 5 and 6 speed trannies behind the 7.3 were ZF's, and nobody can say that they are junk.

I never liked the AOD, but I have seen them last a long time. All of the AOD's that I have been around shifted late and poorly.

The E4OD has seen service behind motor homes and the 460, aka titan of twist, and they last just as long as a ZF or my C6.

The M5OD has been an excellent light duty transmission, at least in Ranger trucks.

 

So your saying the 04's seem to be fixed. That's nice and I hope so but getting it right the 2nd time around doesn't absolve them from a suit for the POS they pushed out the door in at least the early 03 trucks.

 

Quote: "You need to talk to the International/Ford engineers like I did. They've been working 24/7 to solve those early problems. Several design changes have been made that eliminate those issues and the '04 engines are good, slightly louder, but still without the problems. "

What do you think Ford did while they were "So Called" working 24/7 to solve those early problems..........I'll tell you what they did, they kept production running, kept producing what they knew was crap, sending junk out to some unlucky-diehard-ford guy because despite the problems people are starting to hear about, the ford guy is still going to buy one thinking the problems he is hearing about is a select few cases of problems.

This latest case tells me that ford cares less about pleasing the customer than any of the big three and are only after the profits. Heck, they need to do something to get their stock up.....although, sacrificing the customer for a buck is only going to last so long.

I will be the first to tell you that they are all more money oriented than customer oriented, but you ALL have to admit that it is pretty rotten of ford to keep sending very well known junk out to the customer. I don't know of ANY other automaker that has done that. The closest I can think of is Dodge and their transmission, but at least they have the sense to only offer a manual tranny with their higher power diesel until they can figure out how to make a good automatic tranny.

 

Lets try to keep this to facts. The only way you know what the engineers were doing is if you are one.

If you had been around for any length of time you would know that this forum was closed due to the abuse of forum rules.

 

Well, there is a difference between ENGINEERS and ACCOUNTANTS. Engineering wants to put out the best quality product. Accounting wants to put out the cheapest product. The law of compromise here is that accounting has been getting their way for probably the last 5 or 10 years or so. So, there will be some bugs and anyone who buys a FIRST YEAR product SHOULD KNOW that there is a RISK of problems, especially with a new engine. Do you think everytime another company screws up that instantly people and lawyers will pop out of the woodwork and file a suit??? If that was the case, everybody would be building their own cars, in fear that if they sold it and the slightest thing went wrong, they'd get sued out of house and home. People these days are too trigger happy with their lawyers, which is the sad thing, most of the problem is a communications breakdown between dealers and Ford.

Let me see if I still have that engineer's business card, maybe YOU would like to talk to HIM, and you can ask questions to your heart's content, what I stated earlier is what he told me.

Ford would not just sit back and allow all of these problems to develop and not take action, if that was the case, then there would be no more Ford, or International for that matter.

If I was in the market for a new truck right now, I would not hesitate to get a 6.0 Diesel. But, since I am always looking for new technology to study and understand, I talked to that engineer, who is not a Ford engineer, but one for the VT-365/Power Stroke engine program at International. Actually, there were several engineers at the show I was at, that were specifically there for International Truck and Engine Co.

P.S.: The display trailer weighs 18,000lbs, and they were using a lifted 2003 F-350 Lariat 6.0L/Torqshift SRW CC 4x4 to pull it, and I was told that they left Ft. Wayne, IN, went to Detroit, went down to Biloxi, Mississippi, and then to Louisville, Ky, to the convention that I was attending, and they were going back to Ft. Wayne after the convention, pulling that trailer the whole time.

 

If I recall the 6.0 made national news also for all the problems iy had. And I also have to say i have Not seen the words "lemon Law" or "buyback" used more frequently than they are used when talking about the 03-04 6.0 and the 03 Expeditions. (Expedition regardless of engines). And I remember quite a Few comments on the 6.0 board about wishing someone would START a class action lawsuit.

Ron
00 Excursion Limited V-10 4x4

 

No, I don't. If it's a little problem here or there, no one is going to start any kind of suit. But this 6.0 thing is no little problem. I've never seen anything like this apparent failure rate and customer dissatisfaction. I had a first year dmax and it was bullet proof. No quirks, no loss of power, great mileage and power ALL the time. I hung around those forums until I got my Ford recently and the failure rate was tiny. Not even in the same ballpark as it is over on the 6.0 forums.

Folks don't dump $35k plus on a truck and WANT to complain about it. They want to be happy with it and proud of it.

When I read posts about Ford only replacing one bad injector at a time or replacing the turbo because of the diesel fuel in the motor but not worrying about the other bearings in the motor, it tells me they do not care about the customer one bit.

I agree that the accountants drive too many of these decisions but that doesn't justify a fiasco like this.

 

I know of a problem with the Chevrolet that has been plagging them since 1999. It's called the "Chevy Clunk" and its in the steering this would have been resolved in the first year of production had it been a Ford. I've heard about this problem from a lot of people and places. It can really stress a man out. After all if the steering broke you could be dead!!! Not saying that it will happen but who knows?

Heard about it at LesSchwabs,on the computer,and from good friends and people who love Chevy's...

You know I've been on the powerstroke forums to but I've seen far more happy and exited customers than one's that are upset and thats a fact

 

Well I think the ford of old may have resolved it, but I have no competence that the new ford would have. The 5.4's with plugs blowing out of them, leaking head gaskets, Tranny issues. All problems that Ford admitted to having in a particular year with a particular vehicle, but wouldnt help the consumer out.

By the way I went to chevy talk and did a search on the 99 and up chevy trucks over the last 6 months and saw 1 comment on a steering clunk.

Ron
00 Excursion Limited 4x4 V-10