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Old Jun 13, 2020 | 07:57 PM
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2002 Starter Upgrade

I have run a search for the answer to this question, but only got returns that were not significant.

A couple of years ago, I read about upgrading my old starter to the newer 2002 gear drive starter. I did so by buying one from NAPA using my limited knowledge and it worked fantastic. This week the bendix would not release and I cooked it. I went to Advance and the 2002 starter they brought out was tiny compared to mine. I had a friend who tried the upgrade and had multiple failures, so I did not want to get the brand starter he used. But I took mine over to compare to his and his was also tiny compared to mine - see photo.

Am I correct in the old starter I have is a Nippondenso? And is this the best one I can use? None of the other starters appear to be this heavy duty. I didn't think to look at the brand of his rebuilt starter.


 
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Old Jun 13, 2020 | 10:10 PM
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I warrantied my starter on Autozoo for an "upgraded" starter as well and I received the same tiny starter. Works great and has alot of punch but god knows how long it will last. Having a lifetime warranty and Autozoo being nation wide made sense. They used to carry the Denso High torque starter but not no more.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2020 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotwild
I have run a search for the answer to this question, but only got returns that were not significant.

A couple of years ago, I read about upgrading my old starter to the newer 2002 gear drive starter. I did so by buying one from NAPA using my limited knowledge and it worked fantastic. This week the bendix would not release and I cooked it. I went to Advance and the 2002 starter they brought out was tiny compared to mine. I had a friend who tried the upgrade and had multiple failures, so I did not want to get the brand starter he used. But I took mine over to compare to his and his was also tiny compared to mine - see photo.

Am I correct in the old starter I have is a Nippondenso? And is this the best one I can use? None of the other starters appear to be this heavy duty. I didn't think to look at the brand of his rebuilt starter.
and yes that looks like the real deal Denso (big starter) the smaller one is a knock off china one.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2020 | 08:23 AM
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the only way to get a large one anymore is to take it to a rebuilder and let him make it new.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2020 | 09:47 AM
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I did a little research last night and found out that Advance Auto Parts does have rebuilt Nippondenso starters listed. I am going to order one this morning. When I went under the truck to remove the starter I found that the bolts had worked loose and I believe that caused it to lock in. Otherwise it was super strong and had been on there two years. Also, a friend has a 96 and he has been using the Autozone smaller starters. He's on his second one in two years. If I am going to buy one, I am definitely going to try to get the Denso. You really don't appreciate the size difference until you have the two side by side. The gear that engages the flywheel is do big compared to the smaller one I had to count the teeth to be sure they were the same.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2020 | 11:20 AM
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I also had trouble with the bolts working loose. New lock washers solved the problem.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2020 | 03:30 PM
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And it holds true. Bigger is better!

Sous has a thread about this somewhere. He put longer bolts in when he did his. I didn't use longer bolts at fist, but mine worked loose. I now have the longer bolts and it hasn't worked loose yet. You might look into it or PM Sous to ask about the bolts. I would tag him but it doesn't work on my phone.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2020 | 03:40 PM
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You can use green or blue loctite no backing up of bolts
 
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Old Jun 14, 2020 | 05:39 PM
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I did get the starter ordered today from Advance Auto and it will be in Tuesday. $238.67 with tax. I thought about using longer bolts and I may go that route. I can easily take the ones I have to get the length I need. The exact length is critical because I took mine off with a deep socket and two extensions figuring the bolt would run up in the deep well. Should have used a regular socket. But it didn't and I caught the devil getting the wrench and the bolt out because there wasn't enough room. It finally wiggled out though. I think I should have taken the top bolt out first. I will use a lock washer and some blue Loctite.

Bigger is better - the truck wanted to take off when the bendix stuck. I've seen my friend get his small starter smoking hot trying to bleed off his injectors once after he replaced them. It couldn't take much cranking.
 
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