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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 10:31 AM
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quest for reliability

I've decided to start a thread detailing my journey to make my 6L reliable once again. I have owned the truck since new. I do not drive it more than once per week and that is usually just to keep it active. I bought it when I raced motorcycles in NH (I live in Maine). I honestly do not need a 3/4 ton diesel but after pricing out (even used) 1/2 gas trucks I can't justify spending that much money. Overall my truck has been pretty reliable with only wearable items needing attention except one bad FICM 7 yrs ago. More recently I am at the point where I will not take it to northern Maine in winter towing snowmobiles because I do not trust it to start after sitting in the cold. To date this is what I have done:

1. Installed a Scan Gauge- very helpful in identifying problems / potential problems.
2. install 2 new batteries
3. Noted I need a new FICM (will order this week)
4. Found parasitic draw on my system. Got it from .48A draw down to 6mA.
5. New 140a alt (installed last fall)
6. Checked / cleaned EGR valve (
7. Checked / cleaned EBP sensor and tube. Tube and sensor were 99% plugged up with only a very small hole to the sensor, still registered on Scan gauge but I suspect influenced operation
8. New degass bottle and cap
9. New glow plugs and harness on passenger side

I have not run the truck yet after the last 4 steps. I put a battery tester on my new batteries after a fresh charge and only got 829 and 833 CCA when they are rated at 850. THis was in a garage at 60 deg. Taking back to supplier for testing on their equipment beause I expected much higher than 850 in a heated garage.

Future tasks:
1. replace FICM (listed above)
2. Run bubble test on Degass bottle
3 Replace oil cooler (delta T noted on scan gauge indicates faulty cooler)
4. EGR delete (Maine does not include emission testing for inspection)
5. Turbo cleaning (may as well while its out of the truck)
6. Flush coolant system / install coolant filter
7. Have cylinder contribution test done at local diesel shop

If these steps get my truck reliable enough so that I trust it again I will also have new leather done for the interior and drive the truck another 100k miles.
If anybody sees something else I should be considering please say so.
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 10:38 AM
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If you get a chance to peek at the cam lobes look for scuffing.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 12:23 PM
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Just a quick note about removing the EGR, I would not remove it unless you either; make modifications to better cool the engine i.e.4" turbo back exhaust, & intercooler upgrade or do not tow heavy loads or work it too hard. The reason is that the Factory programming commands EGR flow at high load/temps to reduce combustion temps, (not what I would have done, I would favor a fueling reduction to control temps) but that is not what they did, they used EGR to lower combustion temperature. As a consequence if you delete the EGR system and continue to work it like a truck you may damage it. https://www.ficmrepair.com/index.cfm can help with the FICM or most anything else you may need. Good Luck, Russ
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 02:54 PM
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Just a quick note about removing the EGR, I would not remove it unless you either; make modifications to better cool the engine i.e.4" turbo back exhaust, & intercooler upgrade or do not tow heavy loads or work it too hard. The reason is that the Factory programming commands EGR flow at high load/temps to reduce combustion temps, (not what I would have done, I would favor a fueling reduction to control temps) but that is not what they did, they used EGR to lower combustion temperature. As a consequence if you delete the EGR system and continue to work it like a truck you may damage it. https://www.ficmrepair.com/index.cfm can help with the FICM or most anything else you may need. Good Luck, Russ
Good information that I had not thought of. THank you. I'll go with BPD cooler. So, yet I flip again :-)
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 03:36 PM
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Fuel pressure gauge should be on your list.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 06:16 PM
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Fuel pressure gauge should be on your list.
Check!! will add that as well thank you
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 06:44 PM
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Blue spring MOD should accompany the fuel pressure gauge too.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AK4x4
Just a quick note about removing the EGR, I would not remove it unless you either; make modifications to better cool the engine i.e.4" turbo back exhaust, & intercooler upgrade or do not tow heavy loads or work it too hard. The reason is that the Factory programming commands EGR flow at high load/temps to reduce combustion temps, (not what I would have done, I would favor a fueling reduction to control temps) but that is not what they did, they used EGR to lower combustion temperature. As a consequence if you delete the EGR system and continue to work it like a truck you may damage it. https://www.ficmrepair.com/index.cfm can help with the FICM or most anything else you may need. Good Luck, Russ
I’m pretty sure deleting EGR will not damage your engine due to temps. The EGR system lowers combustion temps to reduce certain pollutants, not to protect the engine.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 09:12 PM
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I’m pretty sure deleting EGR will not damage your engine due to temps. The EGR system lowers combustion temps to reduce certain pollutants, not to protect the engine.
Yes that is the normal function of EGR, however specific to the 6.0 it is also used to protect the engine at high loads. Remember the 6.0 was "tuned" by Ford to produce 75+ more horsepower than Navistar supplied. If you just delete the EGR, make no other supporting modifications, and then use truck to its capability as rated by Ford you run a high risk of causing engine damage. The engine is a system and if modified should to be modified as a complete system in order to be reliable. My .02, Russ
 
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bilter
Check!! will add that as well thank you
Have you already addressed the weak HPOP (STC) discharge fitting and the weak (originally installed) standpipes and dummy plugs?
 
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:08 AM
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I very much much need to shoot a video on this for YouTube. For now, though, I’d be very happy to have a call with you. There is a ton to consider.

For starters, if you are going to replace the dummy plugs and standpipes, consider also the injector cup nipples and their corresponding orings.

We are a soup to nuts solutions/parts provider and rep for essentially everyone at prices that won’t be beat.

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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:34 AM
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Have you already addressed the weak HPOP (STC) discharge fitting and the weak (originally installed) standpipes and dummy plugs?
I have not, but will now ;-)
 
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FICMrepair.com
I very much much need to shoot a video on this for YouTube. For now, though, I’d be very happy to have a call with you. There is a ton to consider.

For starters, if you are going to replace the dummy plugs and standpipes, consider also the injector cup nipples and their corresponding orings.

We are a soup to nuts solutions/parts provider and rep for essentially everyone at prices that won’t be beat.

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Ed, I will be giving you a call. I actually spoke to one of your techs last week who helped confirm what I suspected on the condition of my FICM.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:38 AM
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I know a lot of people recommend the nipple cup o-rings and the top injector o-rings, but I have to agree with DieselTechRon. Most of the time they are a problem is when they have been "messed with" or if the rail was crammed on without lubricating the top of the injector. Just communicating my experience and perspective - as always, YMMV.

That said, know that a lot of 6.0L trucks are well over 200k miles, that could certainly change the data! So I guess I would ask first how many miles you have on the truck?

A recent thread about injectors show that MANY of them last over 200k miles without issue (and the implication is that the original o-rings have also lasted that long also).
 
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AK4x4
Yes that is the normal function of EGR, however specific to the 6.0 it is also used to protect the engine at high loads. Remember the 6.0 was "tuned" by Ford to produce 75+ more horsepower than Navistar supplied. If you just delete the EGR, make no other supporting modifications, and then use truck to its capability as rated by Ford you run a high risk of causing engine damage. The engine is a system and if modified should to be modified as a complete system in order to be reliable. My .02, Russ
Interesting...do you have sources for this info? I’d honestly be interested in learning more about it if so. Thanks!
 
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