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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 06:14 PM
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Idle issue nightmare again

most recent posts have been 87 f 150 wont crank -have been cranking it by jumping solenoid to hot post - But until the engine warms up ,it wont idle & have to give it gas so it will , but after it warms up the idle is good ??? Any idea of why it wont idle when cold --TBI --not a carb,
 
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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 11:13 PM
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TBI on an 87? That would not be factory.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 11:27 PM
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I think I remember you posting something like this before. If so, it is more beneficial to you and others to stick with the same thread to avoid repetitive questions and answers. I don't know if you have run codes or not but that would be a good idea to maybe get you in the right direction. As far as just the description you have posted, my first thought is your ECT is bad. If it is failing, my understanding is the ECT signals can cause the PCM not to add enough fuel because more is needed on cold start. That should be the reason you do idle when warm because your fuel is then ok. Because of the faulty signals the truck is also probably not running very good would be my guess. Sandy
 
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sandymane
I think I remember you posting something like this before. If so, it is more beneficial to you and others to stick with the same thread to avoid repetitive questions and answers. I don't know if you have run codes or not but that would be a good idea to maybe get you in the right direction. As far as just the description you have posted, my first thought is your ECT is bad. If it is failing, my understanding is the ECT signals can cause the PCM not to add enough fuel because more is needed on cold start. That should be the reason you do idle when warm because your fuel is then ok. Because of the faulty signals the truck is also probably not running very good would be my guess. Sandy
Sorry Mr Dummy here What does ETC stand for
 
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 08:54 AM
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Sorry Mr Dummy here What does ETC stand for
. I do not know what that means. The ECT is
, Engine Coolant. Temperature sensor
 
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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Have you ever run the Key On Engine Off (KOEO) tests and Stored Code display?
 
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sandymane
. I do not know what that means. The ECT is
, Engine Coolant. Temperature sensor
yea ect is what I meant -- Think I replaced that already ? --Isnt that next to the thermostat --Thank you !
 
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 07:21 PM
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Yes Ive tried & tried ;with an OBD1 METER & another method as well ( Iforgot but it was a way to do it without using a meter)

Could not get any codes at all -kept saying I wasnt connected correctly or something like that
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 07:26 AM
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Try cleaning the pins on the data link connector. Many times there is a build up of corrosion. Contact cleaner or even better use a small finger nail file to polish the contacts then try running the KOEO tests and Stored Code display.

If that does not work you most likely have a bad computer. Very common for the capacitor(s) inside the computer to spill out the electrolyte then damage the board. Given all of your engine running issues it's highly suggested to remove the computer for an inspection regardless of the code results.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rla2005
Try cleaning the pins on the data link connector. Many times there is a build up of corrosion. Contact cleaner or even better use a small finger nail file to polish the contacts then try running the KOEO tests and Stored Code display.

If that does not work you most likely have a bad computer. Very common for the capacitor(s) inside the computer to spill out the electrolyte then damage the board. Given all of your engine running issues it's highly suggested to remove the computer for an inspection regardless of the code results.
Thank you for that --I will try that -- I did replace the computer a few miles ago & it corrected some of the issues -- But that dosent mean the rebbbuilt cpc from rock auto could be at fault also -- oh well the beat goes on
 
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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 08:30 AM
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Also be careful when you are changing out the ECT sensor.... don't confuse it with the gauge sender.

They are two different things. Quick way to know which is which is the gauge sender only has ONE wire connected to it.
 

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Old Nov 15, 2019 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by stonesg
Also be careful when you are changing out the ECT sensor.... don't confuse it with the gauge sender.

They are to different things. Quick way to know which is which is the gauge sender only has ONE wire connected to it.
GOOD INFO THANK YOU
 
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I would not bother with changing any sensor until you can get the computer to talk to you. At the very least you should get System Pass Code 11 for the KOEO tests and Stored Codes if the all of the tests passed and there are no stored codes. No reason to run the KOER tests until you do get Code 11 System pass for KOEO and CM/Stored Codes.
 
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