Urgent Advice! 2019 Engine Replace????!!!
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Found this online. You can't even trust the dealerships, which should be very aware of this. Hundreds of stories online like this.
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Same just happened to me an my 2013 Ford Taurus SEL. I did have a coolant level drop appear a few months ago, and had local Ford dealer look at it right away. They could not find a cause for the leak. Told me to just keep adding coolant as needed. Then last week, internal water pump goes out. $2800 repair, with no guarantee that it has not affected the engine.
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From: savannah,ga
The water pump problem is not the OP problem. He does not have a v6 that has this problem.
The newer models with ECO BOOST is blowing the head gasket seal because of the open deck design.
Coolant leaks into the cylinder. Ford has started replacing long blocks in these Escapes.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...48741-9999.pdf
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...62071-0001.pdf
And now they are doing a FSA, field service action, 19B37.
They are reprograming the control computer to eliminate this problem.
Keeping the coolant temp lower is being stated by some.
I'm more inclined to believe they are Detuning and lowering turbo pressure myself.
M.
The newer models with ECO BOOST is blowing the head gasket seal because of the open deck design.
Coolant leaks into the cylinder. Ford has started replacing long blocks in these Escapes.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...48741-9999.pdf
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...62071-0001.pdf
And now they are doing a FSA, field service action, 19B37.
They are reprograming the control computer to eliminate this problem.
Keeping the coolant temp lower is being stated by some.
I'm more inclined to believe they are Detuning and lowering turbo pressure myself.
M.
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Just got a nice recall notice from Ford on this regarding my 2017 Escape SE AWD 1.5 Ecoboost. It says coolant can intrude into the engine bores and Ford has "authorized the dealer to reprogram the powertrain control module with a new software calibration to reduce the potential for coolant intrusion into the cylinders". This is 19B37 program and I should contact my dealer about the fix immediately. Fix will require 1/2 day or more to correct. There's a half day or more I'll never get back! 
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Mountain Pass
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GEEZ! Is the ESCAPE a LEMON??
Yeah....had my first 2019 declared a lemon in Nov with coolant in block. I searched internet for examples of others with same issue and found a few. But with no recall and 250,000 Escapes sold I figured it would be fine to replace car, which Ford did and the process wasn't too bad. BUT...now...a month later I DO get a RECALL on the same issue. Doesn't make me feel good about the Escape, which my wife loves. I have a bad feeling about this....
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well, let's face it, the 1.5 & 2 liter EB engines (if that is what you have) are not known for being "trouble free"..... and that goes back decades...IMHO.... Although cute (my wife likes them too), they are and excuse my analogy, the new ford "Pinto".... (as compared to explorer, etc.) …… the drivetrain quality is going to be much "lighter weight" for light duty purposes and as such there are many components that are built to meet the most minimum load/demand specs...… meaning failure is much more likely...especially after the warranty duration....and this is true of any mfg...….
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Just got a nice recall notice from Ford on this regarding my 2017 Escape SE AWD 1.5 Ecoboost. It says coolant can intrude into the engine bores and Ford has "authorized the dealer to reprogram the powertrain control module with a new software calibration to reduce the potential for coolant intrusion into the cylinders". This is 19B37 program and I should contact my dealer about the fix immediately. Fix will require 1/2 day or more to correct. There's a half day or more I'll never get back!
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Sitting at dealer now. Tech is expiditing service after I gave him the story of first 2019 Escape lemon w coolant issue. Though he was confused saying my VIN didn’t have that recall issue. He didn’t connect dots that the Powertrain Control Module reprogram was for the coolant issue. He said the program only causes the cooling system to kick on at a lower temp, if that makes sense. Doesn’t affect HP or Boost according to him. Kind a like a “we’ll try this and cross our fingers” fix. Right? I might try to get Ford to give me an extended warranty!!
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They can't lower the engine operating temperature very much though, operating temperature has an effect on emission certification. Just guessing but its possible that they will also lower the turbo boost pressure. That won't affect emissions but it will affect performance.
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The early 2.3 DOHC Rangers that used the Mazda engine and had an electric thermostat tried to keep the temperature very close to the limit. The strategy kept the fan from being engaged until the 'last minute'. Perhaps this cooling system was designed the same way, and they can loosen the parameters to keep the temperature a bit lower.
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Just returned from bringing my wife's '19 Escape in to the dealer for this FSB. This is a vehicle that has not had any odd symptoms nor has it used a drop of coolant in the 8 months she has owned it.
The entire process took about 90 minutes. They downloaded and installed new firmware to the PCM. There does not appear to be any difference to the vehicle after the update. The engine continues to run at the same temperature. The engine seems to have the same amount of power as before.
The one interesting thing I learned speaking to the service manager was that the time it takes for the update is dependent on the time of day. It seems that they don't just have a copy of the new firmware sitting on a disk somewhere. For each vehicle that needs an update they have to connect the vehicle to their computer and the update downloads in real time from Ford directly to the vehicle in question. I asked if it had to do with the VIN being recorded and he said no, it has to do with Ford also reading out any stored information from the PCM before the update. So, the time of day matters. If you are on the east coast, as I am, you want to have the update done as early in the day before the dealerships on the west coast open. Seems Ford has limited bandwidth and can only update a limited number of vehicles at the same time.
The entire process took about 90 minutes. They downloaded and installed new firmware to the PCM. There does not appear to be any difference to the vehicle after the update. The engine continues to run at the same temperature. The engine seems to have the same amount of power as before.
The one interesting thing I learned speaking to the service manager was that the time it takes for the update is dependent on the time of day. It seems that they don't just have a copy of the new firmware sitting on a disk somewhere. For each vehicle that needs an update they have to connect the vehicle to their computer and the update downloads in real time from Ford directly to the vehicle in question. I asked if it had to do with the VIN being recorded and he said no, it has to do with Ford also reading out any stored information from the PCM before the update. So, the time of day matters. If you are on the east coast, as I am, you want to have the update done as early in the day before the dealerships on the west coast open. Seems Ford has limited bandwidth and can only update a limited number of vehicles at the same time.
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