Notices
6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 2003 - 2007 F250, F350 pickup and F350+ Cab Chassis, 2003 - 2005 Excursion and 2003 - 2009 van

Hard Start

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 11, 2019 | 01:47 PM
  #1  
Shelstin's Avatar
Shelstin
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
From: SW Kansas
Hard Start

2003 6.0. 95K miles.
I recently replaced a battery hoping that would alleviate the problem. The other battery was replaced in May. I place a charger on it at night to insure that they are both charged, because I read that it may be a voltage issue. It has only been a problem since it got colder, although it is always garaged.
I won't try to start it for about 10-15 seconds after the "glow plug light" goes out. Sometimes I will recycle, to see if it makes a difference. It will usually start, but not until the third or fourth try of about 10 seconds or so. I have a feeling that it may be a fuel pressure issue. I am anything but a mechanic, but that is what my gut is telling me. After starting, it almost always starts right up unless it sits for an hour or so.
I will take it to a mechanic, but I would also like to have an idea of your thoughts.
Thanks in advance.
 
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2019 | 01:57 PM
  #2  
AL`'s Avatar
AL`
Tuned
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Likes: 71
How's your FICM voltage? Should be 48 volts. Hopefully, you have a scanner that can read the codes from the OBD port. Low batteries can kill your FICM if not caught soon enough. Bad FICMs can kill injectors. Not saying that's the problem, but you had battery troubles and starting systems struggle in cold weather.
 
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2019 | 02:44 PM
  #3  
AL`'s Avatar
AL`
Tuned
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Likes: 71
I had similar symptoms years ago. Here's a data log screen capture of my FICM voltage using AutoEnginuity. Scale for Battery voltage on the left, FICM on the right (dark blue trace). The FICM voltage falters below 48, down to about 43.2, then recovers. I post to show that sticking a voltmeter on the FICM for a few moments might give a false indication if not checked over a long enough period. A monitor of some kind sure makes life simpler.

 
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2019 | 02:44 PM
  #4  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,919
Likes: 3,637
Club FTE Gold Member
Cycling the key for glow plugs really isn't needed. They stay on for quite awhile after the light goes out.

Watch the voltage w/ the key on (before cranking) and you can see when the glow plugs go off (the voltage comes up at that point).

Having a scan tool to watch FICM voltages (MPower, LPower, and VPower) is highly advised.
 
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2019 | 05:19 PM
  #5  
Shelstin's Avatar
Shelstin
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
From: SW Kansas
I don't have a scanner.I need to get it to someone who does.Thanks for your advice.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 02:33 PM
  #6  
6point0's Avatar
6point0
Tuned
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 479
Likes: 34
There are a bunch of us that have the torque app along with the obd module.

Is there a post on here that tells how to get all the gauges that is needed?

....for his information and mine to be honest. I have voltage and coolant and a few other one. I've never been very techy.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 03:15 PM
  #7  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,919
Likes: 3,637
Club FTE Gold Member
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 05:37 PM
  #8  
TooManyToys.'s Avatar
TooManyToys.
Hotshot
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 17,833
Likes: 3,121
From: Jersey Shore
You can't diagnose anything with this truck without data. An adapter and cell phone software is cheaper than any generic scanner and won't give you false or incomplete data.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-3

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 07:01 PM
  #9  
AL`'s Avatar
AL`
Tuned
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Likes: 71
Yeah, a generic OBDII reader isn't much help. I'm not up on the latest and greatest. My in-truck monitor is a little dated and not even offered anymore, although I think the nDash is its progeny. Mine is a DashDAQ-XL with Ford package. I see lots of mentions of the Torque app and FORscan. Are those the two most go with now if they don't have a tuner? Is there a consensus which is better?

The DashDAQ wasn't cheap, so I'm kind of invested but it's still pretty useful. I could make it more so since it has two auxiliary analog sensor input channels. Priorities to add would be fuel pressure and coolant pressure. Wouldn't mind having oil pressure too.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 07:12 PM
  #10  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,919
Likes: 3,637
Club FTE Gold Member
The DashDAQ is nice, but it doesn't do FICM MPower and it isn't nearly as thorough a code reader as ForScan Lite.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 08:25 PM
  #11  
Mich6.0's Avatar
Mich6.0
More Turbo
20 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 574
Likes: 3
From: Grand Rapids,MI
will bad glow plugs throw a check engine light
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 08:50 PM
  #12  
tfunk88's Avatar
tfunk88
Fleet Mechanic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,480
Likes: 161
From: West by God Virginyuh
Originally Posted by bismic
The DashDAQ is nice, but it doesn't do FICM MPower and it isn't nearly as thorough a code reader as ForScan Lite.
I have a DASHDAQ XL, it does both FICM Main Power and Logic Power.

I wasn’t aware it wasn’t a good code reader, perhaps it’s time to get one of the ForScan versions.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 08:54 PM
  #13  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,919
Likes: 3,637
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by tfunk88
I have a DASHDAQ XL, it does both FICM Main Power and Logic Power.

I wasn’t aware it wasn’t a good code reader, perhaps it’s time to get one of the ForScan versions.
Mine will absolutely not properly read the 48 volt FICM power (only shows a max of 12 volts). What is your PID labeled? It has been a long time since I looked on their forum, but they didn't have a way identified then - say maybe 2012 time frame.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 09:00 PM
  #14  
tfunk88's Avatar
tfunk88
Fleet Mechanic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,480
Likes: 161
From: West by God Virginyuh
I’ll check tomorrow morning when I get back in the truck

I got the full Ford PID’s around 2015-2016, so maybe it was updated...but I think I remember them saying FICM Main Power was named something that wouldn’t make you think it was FICM Main Power, and I had to rename it.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2019 | 09:14 PM
  #15  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,919
Likes: 3,637
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by tfunk88
I’ll check tomorrow morning when I get back in the truck

I got the full Ford PID’s around 2015-2016, so maybe it was updated...but I think I remember them saying FICM Main Power was named something that wouldn’t make you think it was FICM Main Power, and I had to rename it.

TY .
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:33 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE