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Old Nov 3, 2019 | 10:02 AM
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Getting back to the original question, How cold before engine block heater really helps? IMO, to many variables involved to give a specific temperature. No two engines gas and or diesel will act the same when trying to start them in the cold. Cold temperatures and a vehicle that will not start is a good indicator that something needs to be addressed. Whether it's an old battery that has no cranking amps when cold or something as simple as cleaning the terminals. Cold weather seems to almost always find the weakest link and will cause a cold no start condition. It's safe to say, anyone who have lived in or grew up in -0 F conditions has a very clear understanding what it takes to start their vehicles in the cold. Whether it's the luxury of having a heated garage or your vehicle having to be plugged in all night because it's sitting out in a 4' snow bank, -10 F with a -35 F wind chill on top. Keeping good vehicle maintenance really helps in these types of cold weather conditions. This all being said with 40 years of cold weather vehicle survivor skills.
Good perspective/advice, and I appreciate everyone else's thoughts too. This F350 isn't a daily driver and sits outside/exposed. I keep a trickle charger on the battery like I always do on vehicles I'm not driving regularly which seems to help. I've lived in this area for more than 20 years and have only bought/run these kinds of heaters on old tractors I've played around with. But since this had the heater "onboard" already thought I'd see what if anything you more experienced users were doing with them. I have some 'smart home' outdoor plugs that are pretty handy for this kind of thing...you can manually turn them off/on with the phone app, or set them up to be triggered by a temp from your sensor or just pull the temp from a local weather station/national weather service which works well enough (good for pond/stock tank deicers/heaters etc.). Elec is pretty inexpensive in Nebraska, but I don't like to waste anything if I can help it
 
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Old Nov 3, 2019 | 10:36 AM
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In a perfect world it would be nice to have a heated building big enough for everything to fit so a guy didn't have to worry about this kind of stuff. LOL Years ago I did see something I thought was kind of cool, it was a solar powered battery trickle / maintainer type charger. Plugs it into your cigarette lighter plug and then the little solar panel lays on the dash. If I have a vehicle that I am going to keep, I will spend the extra money for a good battery. Then in the winter I will also pull all the batteries in the vehicles that I know I will not be using and store those batteries inside where it's warm. I will also hook up a little maintainer to them every month until they go back into the vehicles. It's a little bit of work, but I have noticed it does help with the over all life of the battery.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 01:43 PM
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I have an older 7.3 diesel and mine starts better any time I use the block heater near or below freezing temperatures. We can go down as cold as near -40 (C* or F* ... the same thing) for perhaps a couple of days each winter. Most of the time we are within striking range of freezing ... 0*F to 32* F (-17*C to 0*C). You don't need to keep the truck plugged in all night though ... a couple of hours before you plan to start it is usually plenty to ensure a "warm" start. That assumes you are awake a couple of hours in advance of using the truck and don't mind heading out to it ... to plug it in.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 02:19 PM
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Although you don't really need it until below zero as the manual says, I plug it in and run it off a timer when the temp gets below 20.

The truck starts up nice. I can tell a difference. The timer kicks on at 12:00 AM and goes off at 7:00 AM. Diesel 6.7L
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 02:31 PM
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Although you don't really need it until below zero as the manual says, I plug it in and run it off a timer when the temp gets below 20.

The truck starts up nice. I can tell a difference. The timer kicks on at 12:00 AM and goes off at 7:00 AM. Diesel 6.7L
Yup ... a timer works. I'm old school and want to see everything "light up" and make sure it's working. I won't be fooled again ...
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Batman7777
Although you don't really need it until below zero as the manual says, I plug it in and run it off a timer when the temp gets below 20.

The truck starts up nice. I can tell a difference. The timer kicks on at 12:00 AM and goes off at 7:00 AM. Diesel 6.7L
You could save a couple cents by changing the timer to run fewer hours. The block heater has done as much as it is going to within 60 minutes or so. 2 hours is plenty, 7 isn't any improvement.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2019 | 07:16 PM
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Any time it's below freezing outside the heater is a benefit. Not only will the engine start easier, the heat and defrosters will come up a lot faster too. FYI, for 625 watts at .12 a kilowatt that's $.075/hour or .60 to run the heater for 8 hours. If you did that every day the heater will cost about $18 a month to run. Sorry for the math, that's the electrician in me.

X2....Even here in CT with fairly mild winters, starts smoother, better mileage..and for my comfort, heat or defrost right away
 
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Old Nov 6, 2019 | 09:02 AM
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I don't always leave at the same time, so I gave the timer a wide margin. The truck really starts better with the block heater warming things up.

Seems like how long the block heater needs to be on depends upon how long it has been sitting and how cold the temp is.

Side Note: The block heater has a limited life. It is just like the heating element in a residential water heater that will go out after some time.

The reason I mention this is because some people just plug it in for 12+ hours everyday. This is another reason I have it on a timer.
 
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I have plugged the truck in a few hours when it is 50+ outside when I was going to start out towing our 5th wheel, when doing this the truck doesn't even go into a high idle, it is almost up to temp..figure an initial start, run a few seconds then right into a 9000# load would help

Figure whether it is 5 deg out, 50 or even 90, operating temp is 195 so even 90 deg is a cold start.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2019 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Batman7777
I don't always leave at the same time, so I gave the timer a wide margin. The truck really starts better with the block heater warming things up.

Seems like how long the block heater needs to be on depends upon how long it has been sitting and how cold the temp is.

Side Note: The block heater has a limited life. It is just like the heating element in a residential water heater that will go out after some time.

The reason I mention this is because some people just plug it in for 12+ hours everyday. This is another reason I have it on a timer.
I agree with you 100% on the heater having a limited life, hard water is a quick killer of residential electric water heater elements. This is one reason why people install water softener systems to help with this problem, no different with the cooling system of a vehicle. A person also needs to keep it maintained with good antifreeze and even additional additives to help with reducing electrolysis of the internal cooling system.
 
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