Yet another REGEN question
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Mountain Pass
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Yet another REGEN question
Bought a new to me 2018 F-350 in July. Had just over 15K on the odometer. Have watched and watched religiously for the message that Regen is starting. Have never seen it nor the normal signs that it was happening such as the mpg drop to about 10 and the turbo boost up like my '16 did. Then, got the dealer to enable the DPF screen to see the status of the filter and really be ready to catch that elusive message. Still no luck! Hooked up the FORscan Lite that I have on the iPhone and finally, I can see that it's starting and stopping the Regen.
Question is, if I'm not ever seeing the Regen message on the screen, is that something that I should get checked out or just not worry about it? I've also noticed that the when I had the FORscan running that the avg miles to Regen are trending down, ie, was 412 then 384 after last Regen and I've been running them to full cycle so I know that they are completing. Wondering if the issues are related or coincidence. Engine had 500 hours on it when I bought it and about 100 Idle which is pretty high, 20%. Could it be that the filter is already plugging up with all the idle that it had prior to me buying it?
Thanks for any help I can get!
Dave
Question is, if I'm not ever seeing the Regen message on the screen, is that something that I should get checked out or just not worry about it? I've also noticed that the when I had the FORscan running that the avg miles to Regen are trending down, ie, was 412 then 384 after last Regen and I've been running them to full cycle so I know that they are completing. Wondering if the issues are related or coincidence. Engine had 500 hours on it when I bought it and about 100 Idle which is pretty high, 20%. Could it be that the filter is already plugging up with all the idle that it had prior to me buying it?
Thanks for any help I can get!
Dave
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The 2017+ does not inform the driver. You found the best answers, enable the DPF screen and not worry about it. Your driving habits are different from the previous owner and that's why the length between active regenerations are trending down.
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that's not very high idle time, it's far from great, but that's only 20% idle time, my 2016 has about 38% idle time, previous owner was from North Dakota, so I think it got a lot of cold weather idle time. If concerned about the DPF, check out Better Diesel FBC fuel additive, has done wonders for my pickup which sees a fair amount of city driving
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that's not very high idle time, it's far from great, but that's only 20% idle time, my 2016 has about 38% idle time, previous owner was from North Dakota, so I think it got a lot of cold weather idle time. If concerned about the DPF, check out Better Diesel FBC fuel additive, has done wonders for my pickup which sees a fair amount of city driving
Actually, just started using the FBC! Have only run 1 tank on it so far and will have to give it more time to see how that goes.
I know that idle time on these engines with these emissions are sometimes the worst enemy as it ends up causing more soot to build up in a shorter time period and can cause long term issues and that's the only reason that I mentioned it.
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Mountain Pass
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I agree with the you that my driving habits are different than the previous owner, but was thinking the other way. I'm not sitting idling the engine nearly as much, my engine time is driving down the road, hence, the Avg miles between Regen's should be going up not down. On the positive side, the Regen does show going all the way to 0% when complete on the screen when finished.
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Is it only certain models/trims that don't inform because reading the Owner's Manual, it does mention that message as one that we should see
I agree with the you that my driving habits are different than the previous owner, but was thinking the other way. I'm not sitting idling the engine nearly as much, my engine time is driving down the road, hence, the Avg miles between Regen's should be going up not down. On the positive side, the Regen does show going all the way to 0% when complete on the screen when finished.
I agree with the you that my driving habits are different than the previous owner, but was thinking the other way. I'm not sitting idling the engine nearly as much, my engine time is driving down the road, hence, the Avg miles between Regen's should be going up not down. On the positive side, the Regen does show going all the way to 0% when complete on the screen when finished.
The previous owner may have mostly driven highway miles and maybe mostly towing, which would keep passive EGTs up and extend the miles between regen. Maybe you drive more stop/go to get out of town, enough to make a difference, for example. That was my direction of thinking.
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I'm pretty sure they stopped displaying the message on the 17 and newer trucks. Maybe the manual has just not been updated.
I've always felt it was a mute point anyway, I just drive the truck and ignore the regen unless I see a "Drive to Clean" Which I've only seen twice in 300,000 miles of driving 6.7L trucks.
I've always felt it was a mute point anyway, I just drive the truck and ignore the regen unless I see a "Drive to Clean" Which I've only seen twice in 300,000 miles of driving 6.7L trucks.
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I like knowing what is going on and have tried different additives to see if they made a difference in regen intervals. Switched from AR6200 V1 to Enerburn and it made a significant difference with my interval going from about 350 to 500 miles. A few thousand miles ago, I switched to AR6200 V2 with more lube. At first the truck maintained the 500 mile interval for about 1000 miles or so, then started dropping to the 350 mile interval so I switched back to Enerburn. This time I saw no difference which bothered me to no end. After 2000 miles still at the 350 interval, I had a regen while towing that ran for 40 miles and only got the DPF down to 65%. I figured a problem was developing so I was able to find a time and place for a manual regen using my Edge CTS. The manual regen took it down to 25%, then finally down to 10% driving after. My return home trip saw soot levels return to the way they used to be with Enerburn.
The point is that only by knowing how things normally work will you know when something changes. My DPF at 63000 had reached a point where it had trouble doing effective regens while driving and it took the cleaning of a manual regen to get it back to normal.
The point is that only by knowing how things normally work will you know when something changes. My DPF at 63000 had reached a point where it had trouble doing effective regens while driving and it took the cleaning of a manual regen to get it back to normal.
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I too like to know what's going on so I monitor my DPF screen. If it's at 95% and I have a short trip, I will deactivate Auto Regen so it won't start a regen (Forscan change). I figure it's better to delay the regen a little than have an uncompleted regen.
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The emissions systems are each unique. Knowing what is normal for your truck is good advice. That is about the only way to know if something is NOT right. Got you all beat though. I had a regen in August.
next regen will be in a few days.
I towing more than anything else so I seldom regen.
next regen will be in a few days.
I towing more than anything else so I seldom regen.
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The emissions systems are each unique. Knowing what is normal for your truck is good advice. That is about the only way to know if something is NOT right. Got you all beat though. I had a regen in August.
next regen will be in a few days.
I towing more than anything else so I seldom regen.
next regen will be in a few days.
I towing more than anything else so I seldom regen.
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Can you give any more detail about this? I assume this is a parameter that you have to edit? I see you are in an '18. Is that a feature in the '17+ that the older models don't have the capability of? My truck starting regens at the end of a short trip when I'm almost home is pretty frustrating too.
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mjs2011 here is the thread with the Forscan options. Enable AutoRegen Checkbox is the one where you can take more control and delay a regen. You will also need to activate Add DPF Filter % To Screen
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...readsheet.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...readsheet.html
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mjs2011 here is the thread with the Forscan options. Enable AutoRegen Checkbox is the one where you can take more control and delay a regen. You will also need to activate Add DPF Filter % To Screen
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...readsheet.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...readsheet.html
Thanks for the reply. Looks like Disabling AutoRegen is a 17+ thing. I've got the DPF Filter % Screen enabled already. Don't See the AutoRegen disable option in the 2015 spreadsheet.