I have a 2002 f550 7.3 that I just got my 2020 stickers yesterday. All pickups in California with a GVWR greater than 10000 require a "Commercial" plate, so my f550 has "Commercial" plates. However, it does not have "MCP"(Motor Carriers Permit) number, so I cannot carry, people, goods, or property for hire. My truck does have a "pickup" bed per California's definition of a pickup bed. My GVWR is 17500 witch makes it exempt to all smog regulations, including the new Truck and Bus Regulation. Here's the parts of the Regulation that make it "exempt": Title 13, California Code of Regulations, 2025. Regulation to Reduce Emissions of Diesel Particulate Matter, Oxides of Nitrogen and Other Criteria Pollutants from In-Use Heavy-Duty Diesel-Fueled Vehicles. Article 4.5. (c) Exemptions (12) Trucks with a GVWR of 19,500 lbs or less with a pick-up bed used exclusively for personal, non-commercial, or non-governmental use; and

 

This sentence can easily be taken out of context and misunderstood, because the sentence says "GVWR is 17,500 witch (sic) makes it exempt to all smog regulations, including the new Truck and Bus Regulation".

This is patently false, due to the way the sentence is worded. The GVWR being 17,500 lbs is not the thing which makes bluovl's truck exempt.

While a 17,500 GVWR vehicle is not subject to biennial smog inspection program... it is instead subject to an ANNUAL Periodic Smoke Inspection Program (PSIP), as well as the random Heavy Duty Vehicle Inspection Program (HDVIP). So it isn't the GVWR that garners the exemption. Just so no one misunderstands.

Nor does the receipt of 2020 tags demonstrate that bluovl cleared the hurdle of the new DMV registration enforcement regulations that take effect on January 1, 2020. It isn't January 1, 2020 yet, so there are no current DMV restrictions in place for registering 2000 through 2003 trucks. If an owner's renewal due date is in December, 2019, and they pay their fees on time, they will get 2020 tags good through December 2020, regardless of their vehicle use or lack of exemption status. The DMV's authority to deny registration for purposes of enforcing the Truck and Bus Regulation does not begin until January 1, so the possession of 2020 tags now does not in anyway mean that the hurdle has been cleared for receiving 2021 tags.

To get 2021 tags, either the engine needs to be replaced with a 2010 or newer engine, or an exemption status must be reported through one of two reporting databases that the CARB maintains... either TRUCRS or EDVR, whichever is applicable. Still, the truck is not legal to operate, regardless of valid registration status, if it is not reported to CARB under one of the two available exemption options.

bluoval's 17,500 GVWR F-550 is actually subject to PSIP testing every year (smoke testing), unless his F-550 is the only diesel truck in his "fleet" that is over 14,000 GVWR, and is for personal use exclusively. THOSE are the two factors which make his truck exempt... not the GVWR alone. It is rather the constellation of factors that determine exemption status... as bluoval further explains below:

Exactly correct.

 

Here it is
https://www.ccair.org/sb-210-becomes...d-by-governor/

 

"This is patently false, due to the way the sentence is worded. The GVWR being 17,500 lbs is not the thing which makes bluovl's truck exempt.

While a 17,500 GVWR vehicle is not subject to biennial smog inspection program... it is instead subject to an ANNUAL Periodic Smoke Inspection Program (PSIP), as well as the random Heavy Duty Vehicle Inspection Program (HDVIP). So it isn't the GVWR that garners the exemption. Just so no one misunderstands."

Ok, I'm not sure about the context of "patently false", but I disagree. Look at the B.A.R. chart below, and read note #7. I am not a "fleet" operator. Clearly the delineator for diesel is GVWR:

 

"Nor does the receipt of 2020 tags demonstrate that bluovl cleared the hurdle of the new DMV registration enforcement regulations that take effect on January 1, 2020. It isn't January 1, 2020 yet, so there are no current DMV restrictions in place for registering 2000 through 2003 trucks. If an owner's renewal due date is in December, 2019, and they pay their fees on time, they will get 2020 tags good through December 2020, regardless of their vehicle use or lack of exemption status. The DMV's authority to deny registration for purposes of enforcing the Truck and Bus Regulation does not begin until January 1, so the possession of 2020 tags now does not in anyway mean that the hurdle has been cleared for receiving 2021 tags."

I agree, this truck was inspected once before after the bed was installed. I agree I will need to send pictures and a statement on the trucks use to avoid being denied renewal for 2021. I take it that you are on the Board or occupy some official capacity with the State. Correct?

 

@bluovl Your disagreement is very much welcomed, because in the process of our attempting to understand each other, everyone similarly situated and interested will learn distinctions in terms that may prove useful in their own navigation of this labyrinth.

Looking at the B.A.R. chart that you posted (nice addition to the thread btw) entitled titled "Smog Check Requirements By Vehicle Type", with the blue boxed red check mark "Smog Check" icon in the upper right... we can clearly see that this chart describes the biennial (every two years) and COO (Change Of Ownership) Smog Check program.

However, your previous quote, that I found patently false, stated:
The key distinction here is that the biennial Smog Check program is only a very small part of "all smog regulations". The Smog Check program may be the most visible to most Californians, but it is only a bucket in an ocean of smog regulations, and your sentence stated that it was your GVWR of 17,500 which makes it exempt from ALL smog regulations, and that is far from being true. The GVWR makes it exempt from the Smog Check program, but certainly not all smog regulations, and especially not the new Truck and Bus Regulation, which your sentence included as also being exempted by virtue of your GVWR. Again, not at all true.

I am convinced that you have a good handle on what regulations your truck is subject to... my point of clarification was at the wording of your sentence, which could confuse and mislead others. The Smog Check program is only a small part of all the smog regulations in California. And this thread wouldn't exist if 17,500 GVWR vehicles were not subject to smog regulations, including and especially the new Truck and Bus Regulation.

Now let's talk about footnote 7 and whether or not you are a fleet.

In an earlier post, you quoted the Final Regulation Order, so turn to the top of page 8 in the pdf of that Order. I'll spell it out, just like you did earlier, so others can find it also on their own.

Title 13, California Code of Regulations,
Division 3: Air Resources Board
Chapter 1: Motor Vehicle Pollution Control Devices
Article 4.5
Section 2025: Regulation to Reduce Emissions of Diesel Particulate Matter, Oxides of Nitrogen and Other Criteria Pollutants from In-Use Heavy-Duty Diesel-Fueled Vehicles.
(d) Definitions: For purposes of this regulation, the following definitions apply:
(28) “Fleet” means one or more vehicles, owned by a person, business, or government agency traveling in California and subject to this regulation.

{Bold emphasis added.}

The Regulation reiterates one truck as substantive enough to be a fleet by further defining the parameters of the "Small Fleet Compliance Option", on Page 17, under Sub Paragraph (h)

(h) Small Fleet Compliance Option: In lieu of initially complying with the schedule set forth in Table 2 of section 2025(g), a fleet with a fleet size of one to three vehicles with a GVWR greater than 14,000 lbs...

{Bold emphasis added.}

So, for purposes of the new Truck and Bus Regulation, your one truck is a fleet, owned by a person. It does not matter that you are not a business, or in business. It does not matter if you only have one truck. You have a fleet. As do I.

However, the regulations that created the PSIP program preceded the new Truck and Bus Regulation by many years, and the definition of "fleet" for purposes of compliance with the PSIP program is slightly different.

The PSIP program requirements, as of May 2019, are as follows:

All California-based fleets of two or more heavy-duty diesel vehicles over 6,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) with engines over four years old are required to perform annual smoke opacity tests (1998 and newer diesel vehicles between 6,000 – 14,000 pounds GVWR subject to biennial smog check are not subject to PSIP)

So you are correct in that your truck is not currently subject to smog inspection, either through the Smog Check program, or through the PSIP program, with only one truck that is over 14,000 GVWR. But that truck remains subject to the smog regulations in the Truck and Bus Final Regulation Order, and the smog regulations in Senate Bill 1, which vested authority with the DMV to deny registrations for those vehicles that are not compliant with the Truck and Bus regulations.

Our "disagreement" lay only in the wording of the sentence in your earlier quote, which some folks might believe and run with, only to find out later that ignorance or misunderstanding of the law is no excuse for non compliance... learning the hard way.



Incorrect. I am not on the Board, nor do I occupy any type official capacity with the State. I'm just an FTE member, who, just like you, has a personal use F-550 pickup with the same 17,500 GVWR.
I do however, regularly take training classes with CARB truck and bus regulatory, training, and enforcement staff, in my part time capacity as a regulatory compliance manager for a commercial fleet of mostly much larger trucks and equipment.

 

You are absolutely correct and for that I apologize for continuing the hijack. California has more serious issues than what is being discussed here. I just feel bad that my fellow Americans out there have to deal with this for their older vehicles. That's all. I'm out....

 

Very well then. Good engagement. We have a lot in common besides our trucks. Before I retired one of my responsibilities was fleet oversight for my department. I learned from this discussion.
Thanks

 

This has degenerated into a political thread. That isn't allowed in the open forums.

Closing thread.

 

Redford was right, however there was a lot of good info being given, so I've cleaned the thread and reopened it.

Please don't force us to close the thread or remove it. Keep it on topic guys. Thanks.

Stewart