I have a 2008 F550 and keep reading that I have to replace my engine with a 2010 compliant engine before 2023. My question is I thought the 2008 with the particulate filter was going to be compliant. Do we still have to put in a newer engine even if it has the particulate filter already ? If I have to replace this engine it's ridiculous as it only has 50k on it. Is it even worth replacing the engine or would I be better off just selling it out of state and buying a newer truck ?

 

Yup, if you are over 14,000 lbs gvwr

https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdie...s/fsregsum.pdf

2023 is over 3 years away. I would run it and look to unload in late 2021 to mid 2022. Don't wait for the rush.

In the mean time, things could change again.

 

Yup...


https://www.rollcall.com/news/whiteh...emission-rules

 

I believe this is for commercial use only, not personal use

 

Link above mentions no such exemption. Do you have a State of California link showing such an exemption?

 

Copied from DMV enforcement website. Personal vehicles are exempt. The law does not apply to light duty pickups below 14K GVW. There is also an exemption for 14k to 19k GVW for personal use

Some vehicles will be difficult for the DMV to identify as compliant with the Regulation. CARB has developed the Excluded Diesel Vehicle Reporting (EDVR) System as a tool to assist vehicle owners who have had (or will have) their DMV vehicle registration denied inadvertently.

Special reporting may be required for vehicles converted from diesel to other fuels such as gasoline or dedicated natural gas, snow removal vehicles, personal use motor homes or recreational vehicles and personal use pickups (14,001-19,500 lbs. GVWR). In addition, while the model year of the vehicle may not meet the DMV Truck and Bus Regulation compliance verification requirement, the vehicle’s EMY may meet the regulatory requirements. Therefore, the engine may be compliant and you will need to provide additional information to CARB.

 

Well this is a 550 cab and chassis with a 12' box on it so its commercial (no exemption) What kills me is only drive it 5k miles a year so it only has 50k on it. Would it be worth getting a newer engine put in ? Seems like it might be less reliable and ultimately would it really be cheaper than just selling the truck out of state and buying a newer "compliant" truck ?

 

i was afraid of that . This is complete crap . I'm a small business and this is insane.

 

My 2004 GVWR 15,000 lbs with 2003 engine needs to be repowered or updated to 2010 emissions by 2020 or sell out if state. Not going to happen. I opted to certify it will not be driven more then 2000 miles per year in CA. Outside CA can put as many miles on it as I want. My primary use is to pull my 36ft 5th Wheel. There is no exemption for non business owners. Original owner put way to much money in it to just throw it away.

 

It appears that you may have a misunderstanding of California's regulations, and how they currently are and subsequently will be enforced, which will materially effect you after January 1, 2020.

It also appears, based on your stated primary use, that you can successfully remedy this misunderstanding, and remain in compliance, so that you may lawfully use and continue to be able to register and insure your truck.

1. There is no "2.000 miles per year" exemption. The CARB Low Use Exemption is limited to 1,000 miles per year within the state of California, with all other miles having to be outside of California, proved by documentation (fuel receipts, weigh master certificates, ELD reports, etc.) For more information on the Low Use Exemption (Updated following the CARB losing the Lawson lawsuit), you may find this pdf useful:

https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdie...s/fslowuse.pdf

The 1,000 mile in state limit makes it nearly impossible to use an F-450 as an RV hauler operating under the Low Use Exemption, unless one lives in Yreka, Truckee, Blythe, or similar areas that are A) near the border, and are B) also near highways that cross state lines, such that your instate mileage allowance isn't so consumed just getting out of state. This is not a very tenable option for RV'rs. 2,000 miles instate miles might be doable, but no such exemption option exists. In previous years, between 2014 through 2018, the CARB relaxed the rules to allow 5,000 miles within the State of California, but a trucking company sued CARB for relaxing the rules. CARB fought to keep the more lenient compliance option all the way to the state supreme court, but lost on appeal. Hence the stricter rules originally set forth in 2010 went back into effect beginning January 1, 2019, and are the operative law going forward.

2. There is an exemption available for personal use pickups that are 19,500 GVWR and under, if not used in business, trade, or commercial use. So if your F-450 has a pickup bed, or an RV hauler bed, then you should strongly consider following the advice of @deleontow in Post #6 of this thread, and register online with the CARB EDVR system, where you will have to submit photos of all sides of your truck, license plate, registration card, VIN, etc, and submit a statement certifying how you use the truck. Staff will evaluate your truck, considering factors like if it has a stake bed or dump body, then it isn't a pickup. If the truck is used for hotshotting, the staff has ways of finding that out too. Beginning in 2015, California instituted a transportation relational database, sharing and merging data from every agency that collect any type of data on trucks. This big data project has been in development for five years, and it is what has enabled the link up between the CARB and the DMV...

3. And this DMV linkup is really what should be of most concern to you, as the DMV will block your next attempt at registration unless you do something. You said you "opted to certify it will not be driven more then 2000 miles per year". What administrative mechanism did you use to do this? Self reported through TRUCRS? If so, then the only reason why you may find that your vehicle is in compliance this year is because your year and GVWR class vehicle is not subject to ANY mileage limitations this year, so it wouldn't have mattered to the CARB if you self certified 200,000 miles per year. Your truck is not regulated. Yet. Next year, it will be. And you won't be able to register it all if you claim 2,000 miles per year, as that exceeds the allowance of the Low Use Exemption.

If all you are using your F-450 for is to tow your RV, and if it has a pickup or RV hauler type bed on it, I highly recommend that you report your vehicle through to the CARB EDVR system, supply all the requested documentation, and wait for approval. That will be the most useful path to compliance for the usage you describe, and if approved, you will not be subject to any mileage limitation, and more importantly, you will be able to register your truck next year.

 

Man, I never knew Cali was that bad... I'm just dumb founded about this. I might have to actually admit I'm glad I'm in New York... for now. All these crazy laws thanks to the Climate change/Global warming movement.

 

When California finally gets all of this accomplished, just think of the massive overall effect it will have on the carbon emissions reduction for the entire planet. Especially considering California has one half of one percent of the world's population.

 

Y2KW57
Thanks for the information. When I received the notice from DMV I read everything I could find on ARB, CARB, AQMD, and TRUCRS web sites called ARB twice. Everything I read and was told by ARB that the Low usage exemption was 2000 miles obviously that is incorrect. I will check the CARB EDVR. I also need to talk to the original owner about how he had the truck registered. The truck does not have a CVRA decal so I suspect he had it registered as a non commercial truck. Just heard that the Governor signed a bill requiring trucks over 14,001 lbs will now have to pass smog checks.

Chuck

 

Chuck, will you please post your source or a link for your quote above?

Thanks!

Remember, your truck was not required to be reported to TRUCRS unless it was retrofitted with BACT prior to 2014 and that retrofit was being used as part of a "credit" to prolong a percentage of total fleet compliance for subsequent years. But all of those compliance and credit options expired. And even if retrofitted with BACT back then, the engine would still need to be replaced with a 2010 or newer engine before 2023.

Whether your 2003 engine 16K GVWR F-450 is personal use in a fleet of 1, or dedicated commercial use in a fleet of 100,000, your truck was never required to be reported to TRUCRS until this coming January. At that time, it will need to either be committed to the Low Use Exemption operating not more than 1,000 miles per year in California, or have been retrofitted with a 2010 or newer engine, with the attendant emissions control systems for that engine (SCR, DPF, DOC, DEF), unless your truck was granted an exemption based on your application through the EDVR system.

About 120 days prior to your next year's registration coming due, you will receive a Certified Letter via the US Postal Service sent to the address of registration records from the CARB advising you that your vehicle registration will be denied.

 

The "CARB Law Question" in this thread specifically relates to a 2004 F-450 Chassis Cab with a 2003 model year engine, but what is being discussed here, that is on topic, can be more broadly applied to the CARB diesel emissions compliance schedule for light heavy duty vehicles between 14,000 through 26,000 GVWR, which applies to F-450, F-550, and some F-650 trucks, as it relates to Ford Truck Enthusiasts.

Because 2020 is a major transition year, under two constructs, the first being the kick in of a lot more Super Duties, which began in model year 1999, and roared in earnest by 2000, when the F-650/750 came on board with the then new body style... and the second construct being the inaugural year of DMV registration denial based on non compliant status... threads such as this can be useful to help existing members and attract new members to FTE who seek a little "layman's" help in navigating the upcoming implementation of these newly enforceable regulations, despite them being codified into law 10 years ago.

It isn't clear to me that bash sessions bagging on California or speculation as to the reasons these regulations were passed would be as useful in the endeavor to help folks facing very real problems, in the very near term. When moving out isn't an option, and willful defiance isn't in the game plan, the most constructive use of this forum, and this thread in particular, is to help each other achieve compliance.

Please consider this more purposeful goal when you post.