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Old Sep 25, 2019 | 09:25 PM
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well you say the injection pump was rebuilt... I wonder what the advance piston looks like...

it really shouldn't be smoking at idle ... now I'm assuming the smoke don't smell sweet and it is acrid and burns the eyes.....

you could advance the pump a bit from the OEM mark ... 1mm movement equals about 2 Degrees

IF the same monkeys that were working on it were the rebuilders of that pump I would be very suspicious.

IF you have a Pull A Part IP's are less than 70 bux I snag em all the time.. they don't come in real often any more but on occasion we get a run on them
 
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Old Sep 25, 2019 | 09:41 PM
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BTW I have seen in the past that some folks will jump a gear tooth to try to compensate for a worn out pump. it's a Futile Effort IMHO .. might be ok when just trouble shooting.... but I see no other reason to do that.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2019 | 04:33 PM
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Get some clear fuel line and put it inline with the fuel supply and check for air bubbles.

You could try advancing the timing more.

If all else fails pull that pump and go have it tested.

Last I checked it was like $150-200 to have a pump calibrated if that's all it needed. If you need a rebuild buy from constenoga or r&d
 
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 09:30 PM
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well its been a while since I posted and last worked on my smoke issue. Today hauled of a load of scrap. On my way home decided to try and figure out my unburnt fuel issues. So armed with a can of brake clean and the engine running I figured out I have a manifold leak. But also noticed a chuffing sound and kind of odd running behavior. Well pulled the passenger valve cover off and found the intake valve rocker extremely loose and the push rod sitting about 3/16 lower. Pulled the rockers and expected a bent rod. Straight as could be. Thinking I have a collapsed lifter. Doing a JY run next weekend to try a nab myself a turbo and some extra parts. In a slightly inhibited state I decided to paint the valve covers old school Ford blue... If I am going deep into this truck I might as well go all the way
 
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 09:56 PM
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well, you should have gone Corn Binder Grey LMAO but I guess any colour is fine .... and yes a collapsed lifter could cause the issue but you wouldn't always see that with a compression test but you should sure be able to hear it.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lonewolf_
well, you should have gone Corn Binder Grey LMAO but I guess any colour is fine .... and yes a collapsed lifter could cause the issue but you wouldn't always see that with a compression test but you should sure be able to hear it.
Its what we had in our "black hole" at my shop, stuff that was inventory but no longer in our system. And yes, I've seen it happen a gasser motors. Oh well, payday another $100 order to rockauto... Might put off the turbo till I get this old girl running spot on
 
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 11:37 PM
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why Stress the old Gurl with a Turbo....... just buy an exhaust whistle that will give you at least a 75 HP increase

 
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 11:46 PM
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LMAO
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 12:05 AM
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ROFL sorry couldn't help me self

get her running right first... you can always set the pump up a bit and depends on what your use is as to weather you need a turbo or not.....
why add other crap that you don't need... nothing wrong with a fine tuned IDI NA motor... that in itself demands respect...

FWIW you could probably go Electric Turbo and be better off than EX Gas Driven

Ive been playing with a couple that Spool up in .5 seconds
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NWVillageIdiot
Might put off the turbo till I get this old girl running spot on
If you tow heavy and often you'll find a turbo is a must. I lived with my pickup for about 2 years non-turboed and on a 2 lane when towing I'd have to have at least a mile with no oncoming traffic in order to safely pass a slow moving vehicle in front of me. Exhaust gas volume increases exponentially the heavier the load on an engine, so since exhaust drives the turbo, it really puts out the power on a hard pull. Saw that clearly illustrated years ago at a Cat diesel school. They had a turboed diesel on an engine stand running at maximum rpm, no big deal, but when he engaged the dyno at the same rpm to put a load on it, we though the engine was going to knock the shop walls down.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RaymondIV
If you tow heavy and often you'll find a turbo is a must. I lived with my pickup for about 2 years non-turboed and on a 2 lane when towing I'd have to have at least a mile with no oncoming traffic in order to safely pass a slow moving vehicle in front of me. Exhaust gas volume increases exponentially the heavier the load on an engine, so since exhaust drives the turbo, it really puts out the power on a hard pull. Saw that clearly illustrated years ago at a Cat diesel school. They had a turboed diesel on an engine stand running at maximum rpm, no big deal, but when he engaged the dyno at the same rpm to put a load on it, we though the engine was going to knock the shop walls down.
Dont take this the wrong way, but I am no spring chicken in wrenching. I started when is was 14 and I am 34 now. Boost is one of my favorite words that start with the letter B. First forced induction car I had was a Mustang with a 8-71 supercharger, sounded cool idling; but thw second I dropped that throttle it scared the be-jesus out of me. And I know how important a turbo is for hauling, I daily a 19,500lb service truck. Right now Ol Red is just a scooter vehicle to get me to and from drill with the national guard and hauling off stuff. But soon she'll be hauling a built cherokee to off road events and whatnot. Not to mention, the sound of a turbo spooling up on diesel makes me tingle in my funny places. What motor did they have on that dyno? I did one of the introductory tours and they had some fully built 3406 hooked up that literally gave me chills when they loaded it up
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 12:54 PM
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Dont take this the wrong way, but I am no spring chicken in wrenching.
Yep, that I know by your previous posts. However, not referring to you, but there IS the widespread B.S. that it's trapped heat that allows for turbo efficiency, not increased exhaust gas volume. The engine was the small 3208 and the two Cat reps talked like it was their pet project. They had engineered a turbo for it and evidently we were there for its first run. The reps were like kids with a new toy. They had painted the big exhaust flex pipe with some kind of hi-temp paint and the pipe went up to and through the shop roof. When they engaged the dyno paint chips flew all over the room and it felt like it shook the walls. FUN STUFF! At the time 3208's were non-turboed, we maintained a fleet of them where I worked. Did they later come out with a turboed version, seems like I read that somewhere?
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 02:07 PM
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well a broken butterfly and a tatered lifter is killing me. Fortunately the cam doesn't look too messed up. Going to get ingenious with some ways to pull this MFer out. The engine i saw some experimental engine they built for the giggles.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 06:09 PM
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They did later offer the 3208's with a turbo,

What exactly are you trying to pull out, the cam?
 
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkOverCast
They did later offer the 3208's with a turbo,

What exactly are you trying to pull out, the cam?
Trying to pull out a broken lifter. Didn't scar up the cam too horrible... Looks like I will be hitting the junk yard to scavenge up some lifter guides. Cant find any online
 
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