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Old Aug 28, 2019 | 01:27 PM
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WDH Adjustment

I just upgraded to a 2019 F250 from a 2005 F150. The WDH that I had set up for my 150 to pull my travel trailer, a 17 foot Coleman weighing roughly 4,000 lbs loaded, and the bars tend to make it tow nose up. with out the bars the truck and trailer set level. The truck didn't have to work too hard pulling it without the bars. So the question I have is do I even need the bars or should I adjust the head of the hitch down to get the trailer nose down to lift level with the bars? I'm sure this has probably been addressed somewhere along the thread line, but I wasn't able to find it. Any help is great. Thanks!
 
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Old Aug 28, 2019 | 02:54 PM
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I'd keep the bars. Especially for crosswinds and semis and etc.

Adjust the hitch down to get it level.

For what it's worth, you shouldn't have to tension it up too much. With the bars causing the trailer to nose up I get the idea that there's excessive tension being applied there.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 11:17 AM
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Yes sir, your trailer's hitch height is too high. As post #2 stated, keeping the bars is a good idea for both the TT and TV. It makes for an overall stable platform. I am not sure if/what anti-sway component you are using, but many of them use the spring bars as an integral part. Some of those need a certain percentage or a certain amount of tension to be effective.
As such, a little time at a truck scale would be recommended. Getting it level within the recommended weight distribution is usually what separates and okay towing experience with an excellent one. Not to mention the wider margin of safety you will get by dialing it in to that degree.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 11:35 AM
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Thanks for both of your replies. I will try to adjust it down this weekend and I'm pretty sure there is a truck scale over in Ontario. One other thing I came across while reading some other Threads is the weight for the bars. I have 1,000 lbs bars, is that too much for this trailer as my tongue weight at 13% is 520 or at 15% is 600? The hitch I have is an EazLift Elite and is WDH only no sway. I never noticed any sway when I was pulling it with my F-150, that I was aware of anyway.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 11:57 AM
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For an F250, you can probably tow without WDH with that small of a trailer, although having a properly set up WDH is better. Ideally, you'd have "lighter" bars too. I don't know what effect having too heavy bars has, but you'd want the tension pretty low I'd think in your situation.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2019 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by seventyseven250
For an F250, you can probably tow without WDH with that small of a trailer, although having a properly set up WDH is better. Ideally, you'd have "lighter" bars too. I don't know what effect having too heavy bars has, but you'd want the tension pretty low I'd think in your situation.
Actually sir, the stiffness of the bars should be based solely on the tongue weight. Their job is to distribute the tongue weight in a predictable, progressive manner. Unless the tongue weight changes, or the bars fatigue, one should never have to change the bars.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2019 | 09:19 AM
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Actually sir, the stiffness of the bars should be based solely on the tongue weight. Their job is to distribute the tongue weight in a predictable, progressive manner. Unless the tongue weight changes, or the bars fatigue, one should never have to change the bars.
Oh I agree, it's just he said he has the 1000lb bars, which are for a 10,000lb trailer, and his trailer is 4000lb. So, I'm not saying they are worn out or anything, just that he's got the wrong ones for the current trailer.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2019 | 03:41 AM
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Oh I agree, it's just he said he has the 1000lb bars, which are for a 10,000lb trailer, and his trailer is 4000lb. So, I'm not saying they are worn out or anything, just that he's got the wrong ones for the current trailer.
Holy crap, you're right. I totally missed that part about the OP having 1000 lb bars. My bad brother. You are spot on. I am not.
 
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Holy crap, you're right. I totally missed that part about the OP having 1000 lb bars. My bad brother. You are spot on. I am not.
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Old Sep 3, 2019 | 11:53 AM
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So if the 1,000 lb bars are for a 10,000 lb trailer, what bars should I be using? I'll probably try to make these work for now, but I'll probably hang on to them since I may (eventually) upgrade. Didn't get to play with my set up this this last weekend, but I am going to be left to my own devices this upcoming one so it will probably be trial and error time. Thanks Beachums and seventyseven250!
 
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The rating of the (spring) bar should be close to the tongue weight. 500 lb tongue weight, 500 lb bar.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2019 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HRTKD
The rating of the (spring) bar should be close to the tongue weight. 500 lb tongue weight, 500 lb bar.

Correct, and I typically use 15% of the gross trailer weight for TTs when selecting the hitch and spring bars, better to be a little heavy on the bars than too light. And better to be setup to handle the max weight than a lower limit. So with the OP's 4000lb TT he would want a set of 600lbs-ish bars, maybe 750 would be the closest range available. A 10K TT should be using 1500-ish spring bars, a low profile 10K trailer can be OK with closer to 10% tongue weight so those 1000lb bars would be good there.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2019 | 05:57 PM
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That makes more sense. I was looking at some 800's the other day, but I see they have 600 lb bars available too. Thanks for your help!
 
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