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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 07:03 AM
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I'm going to look at a truck today and I am wondering if there are any physical differences between a 302 and a 351 so I can tell what engine is in the truck. Most of all the trucks I have had has had the FE's in them so I am versed on them but not the Small Blocks. Thanks for any help you can give me with this. Not bad for $600... Hope its a 351 but I will be happy with a 302 as well.
 
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351W is wider than a 302. Depending on what year it is, the intake could have 16 bolts holding it down, 1 extra in each corner over the coolant port. That changed sometime in the mid 70's. Other than the width and the intake on the early engines, they're pretty much the same. Nice 70 there. I used to have an F100 with a GT390 under the hood.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by baddad457
351W is wider than a 302. Depending on what year it is, the intake could have 16 bolts holding it down, 1 extra in each corner over the coolant port. That changed sometime in the mid 70's. Other than the width and the intake on the early engines, they're pretty much the same. Nice 70 there. I used to have an F100 with a GT390 under the hood.
The Guy advertised it as a 1971. Not sure how to tell the difference.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 06:01 PM
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Is that a picture of the truck in question? I have no idea what motor that is but it's definitely not a windsor.... maybe a 360 or 390FE?
 
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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 06:48 PM
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The 302 will have a firing order of 1 5 4 2 6 3 7 8, unless its the later H0, 351 will be, 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 06:57 PM
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https://help.summitracing.com/app/an...-and-a-351w%3F

The engine pictured in the first post is an FE.

302--no space between water pump mounting surface and deck. 351W, just over an inch for the same measurement.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JRB64
The Guy advertised it as a 1971. Not sure how to tell the difference.
71's didn't get 351W's. But lots of them found their way under the hoods later.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JRB64
I'm going to look at a truck today and I am wondering if there are any physical differences between a 302 and a 351 so I can tell what engine is in the truck. Most of all the trucks I have had has had the FE's in them so I am versed on them but not the Small Blocks. Thanks for any help you can give me with this. Not bad for $600...

Hope its a 351 but I will be happy with a 302 as well.
It's neither.
This is an FE engine, either a 360 or 390...FE's have 5 valve cover bolts per side.

The 4th digit of the VIN is the engine code. 1968/72 F100/350: H = 390 2V / Y = 360 2V

351W not available in F150/350 & Bronco until 1981. Not available in any year F100. If you find a F100/350 prior to 1981 w/a 351W, it was swapped in.

302 not available in F250 until 1980, not available in any year F350.

btw: This "1971" has a 1970 grille (someone painted the plastic grille inserts black). It has 8 lug wheels, so it's either an F250 or F350, but probably an F250.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
This is an FE engine, either a 360 or 390...FE's have 5 valve cover bolts per side.

The 4th digit of the VIN is the engine code. 1968/72 F100/350: H = 390 2V / Y = 360 2V

351W not available in F150/350 & Bronco until 1981. Not available in any year F100. If you find a F100/350 prior to 1981 w/a 351W, it was swapped in.

302 not available in F250 until 1980, not available in any year F350.

btw: This "1971" has a 1970 grille (someone painted the plastic grille inserts black). It has 8 lug wheels, so it's either an F250 or F350, but probably an F250.
The truck pictured is not the 71 he's going to look at.
 
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Originally Posted by baddad457
The truck pictured is not the 71 he's going to look at.
Where did the OP state that? Was asked in post #4 if this was the truck in question, but hasn't responded.

In post #1, the OP stated "Thanks for any help you can give on this." I took this to mean the truck the OP pictured.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Where did the OP state that? Was asked in post #4 if this was the truck in question, but hasn't responded.

In post #1, the OP stated "Thanks for any help you can give on this." I took this to mean the truck the OP pictured.
Not in so many words, but the truck pictured is obviously a 70 with an FE under the hood and he stated that he was familiar with FE's. And as he posted the pics of it, he would have already gone to look at it.
 
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The Guy advertised it as a 1971. Not sure how to tell the difference.
The grill and the VIN
 
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 04:26 PM
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So I went and checked out the truck and Its a 360FE he told me it was a 390 but I wouldn't know unless I measured the stroke. The truck is a lot ruffer than the pictures showed. It might make someone a great driver/work truck but someone did a Rattle Can Paint Job on it and there are only 3 of the good rims on the truck. Bet it would be really hard to find a 4th one. Anyway I didn't buy it. Besides the Wife said its the Truck or Her... DONT SAY IT!!!
 
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So I went and checked out the truck and Its a 360FE he told me it was a 390 but I wouldn't know unless I measured the stroke. The truck is a lot ruffer than the pictures showed. It might make someone a great driver/work truck but someone did a Rattle Can Paint Job on it and there are only 3 of the good rims on the truck. Bet it would be really hard to find a 4th one. Anyway I didn't buy it. Besides the Wife said its the Truck or Her... DONT SAY IT!!!
I hear you. Almost went an checked on an 89 Ranger the otherday for $900 Prime candidate for a V8 swap.
 
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