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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by zeroo
Just an FYI, if you don’t need a sway bar it neuters your trucks trailer sway. Control.
Incorrect. The Ford system measures both the vehicle’s body roll-rate and roll angle, along with the yaw rate before activating one or more of the individual brakes. A sway bar won't affect the yaw.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by V10DoubleTow
Incorrect. The Ford system measures both the vehicle’s body roll-rate and roll angle, along with the yaw rate before activating one or more of the individual brakes. A sway bar won't affect the yaw.
If that is the case (and I BELIEVE it is) then he is semi correct. The sway bar will reduce the rate/angle and yaw so the system will not be triggered as often as the sway bar does its work first and often. Good case for a bigger sway bar...
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudeman
Sway bars have no effect on ride firmness while travelling in a straight line. They help quell the body roll during direction changes.
I agree. An anti-roll bar has very little effect on ride. It WILL cause more side-to-side rocking.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 17 Oaks
If that is the case (and I BELIEVE it is) then he is semi correct. The sway bar will reduce the rate/angle and yaw so the system will not be triggered as often as the sway bar does its work first and often. Good case for a bigger sway bar...
The anti-sway bar can only affect the roll angle. It can't affect the yaw.


 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by acadianbob
I agree. An anti-roll bar has very little effect on ride. It WILL cause more side-to-side rocking.
The stiffer the anti-sway the firmer the ride is the RESULT and it does not cause more side to side rocking. You want rocking take the sway bar off!

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The anti-sway bar can only affect the roll angle. It can't affect the yaw.

Concur, I should not have added that (Yaw).
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 09:45 AM
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I agree. An anti-roll bar has very little effect on ride. It WILL cause more side-to-side rocking.
Yes, but it has to be perfectly straight. If one side is loaded more on a curve, it will DEFINITELY affect ride. And it’s in turns on bad roads that will loosen your teeth.
Try standing and bounce on the rear corner of both trucks side by side, and you will see the difference.
I'm not a proponent of sway bars unless a camper is used or sway is a concern when loaded. I won’t have one on my truck because I value ride a lot more.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by George C
I'm not a proponent of sway bars unless a camper is used or sway is a concern when loaded. I won’t have one on my truck because I value ride a lot more.
I'm the opposite. I won't have a truck without a sway bar. To me, it's a safety feature. I've had to perform emergency maneuvers in my prior truck. Without the rear sway bar I would likely not have come out of the situations unscathed.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by George C
Yes, but it has to be perfectly straight. If one side is loaded more on a curve, it will DEFINITELY affect ride. And it’s in turns on bad roads that will loosen your teeth.
Try standing and bounce on the rear corner of both trucks side by side, and you will see the difference.
I'm not a proponent of sway bars unless a camper is used or sway is a concern when loaded. I won’t have one on my truck because I value ride a lot more.
You had me worried George, glad you said that. One of the major differences between European and America cars is the ride, firm and solid vs soft and squishy.

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I'm the opposite. I won't have a truck without a sway bar. To me, it's a safety feature. I've had to perform emergency maneuvers in my prior truck. Without the rear sway bar I would likely not have come out of the situations unscathed.
100% concur the safety factor is tantamount...I have never owned a vehicle in my life that did not have at least 1 sway bar and almost every one has had F/R.




Remember, maybe your kids and grandkids might appreciate a safer ride.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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Well, I live in the Vampire... I mean Empire state guys.
The roads here get destroyed in the winter, and finally fixed in November.. really...

As far as safety, I respectfully disagree. First, the spring rate is no slouch..
The sway bar that makes the difference with crash avoidance is in the front where weight transfers under braking or fast turning. ...and that is standard, and for that reason. The rear? Unless you are loaded heavy, it’s not something I would ever have on my truck.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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How would you rate the installation? Easy? moderate? Difficult?

I have tools and a place to work. Wondering what other parts / systems need removed to install the sway bar.
It's a basic bolt on part. Watch a video first online and it will give you some tips like putting the bushings in the end links etc.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by George C
Well, I live in the Vampire... I mean Empire state guys.
The roads here get destroyed in the winter, and finally fixed in November.. really...

As far as safety, I respectfully disagree. First, the spring rate is no slouch..
The sway bar that makes the difference with crash avoidance is in the front where weight transfers under braking or fast turning. ...and that is standard, and for that reason. The rear? Unless you are loaded heavy, it’s not something I would ever have on my truck.
Lateral Stability, you do not need to haul heavy to need that.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 17 Oaks
Lateral Stability, you do not need to haul heavy to need that.
Again, I would disagree. And that’s why we have choices.
I think removing the rear sway bar is more safe. If anything a very very thin rear SB. The front SB is the one we depend on the most for lateral stability unloaded.

My 2003 Lariat LE was the last rear sway bar truck I owned. It would experience chatter on bad pavement, especially around corners on so-so roads, and I feel rear wheels on the ground are a lot safer than wheels bound tight and off the ground.
The only time it kept tight to the pavement was when it was loaded heavy.
These are well sprung, hard deflecting suspensions first.. If you are experiencing lateral stability problems, there is a problem that isn’t part of your suspension..
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by George C
Again, I would disagree. And that’s why we have choices.
I think removing the rear sway bar is more safe. If anything a very very thin rear SB. The front SB is the one we depend on the most for lateral stability unloaded.

My 2003 Lariat LE was the last rear sway bar truck I owned. It would experience chatter on bad pavement, especially around corners on so-so roads, and I feel rear wheels on the ground are a lot safer than wheels bound tight and off the ground.
The only time it kept tight to the pavement was when it was loaded heavy.
These are well sprung, hard deflecting suspensions first.. If you are experiencing lateral stability problems, there is a problem that isn’t part of your suspension..
Sway bar KEEPS the wheels on the ground, springs cause the chatter, after all it is a SPRING.

Lateral stability is SOLVED with a sway bar.

WIth and without a sway bar


 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 10:56 AM
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If a sway bar is needed for towing or carrying a slide-in camper but not wanted for unloaded driving, quick disconnect kits are available or can be fabricated.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2019 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 17 Oaks
Sway bar KEEPS the wheels on the ground, springs cause the chatter, after all it is a SPRING.

Lateral stability is SOLVED with a sway bar.

WIth and without a sway bar

In a perfect world it will, but not when American roads are far from it.
Again I disagree with the springs causing chatter. Chatter comes from the lack of ability to articulate and absorb. Locking up articulation leads to tires leaving the pavement.
Never a chatter problem without a SB.
It may work perfectly on a race track. Corners predictably, handles great.. but add in a few rumples out of turn 4 and you are in the wall.

I fully respect your view. We differ, and I accept that. That’s why we can each order something different my friend.
 
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