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Old Apr 10, 2019 | 08:12 PM
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No start 7.3

I asked in the OBS forum but no responses yet. Anyone got an idea here? I realize there are some flaws to the log file.

Spins over but no start

I am still leaning towards ipr


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Old Apr 10, 2019 | 09:53 PM
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I'm sure someone will weigh in that knows more. What I'm used to seeing for a start condition is an ICP of at least 500psi, but it appears to stay at 0psi. Fuel PW is 0.4ms, so PCM and IDM are in sync, but with no high pressure oil, the PCM is not going to command an increase in PW. ICP duty cycle (is this IPR?) is 50% during cranking which seems like a default value.

Scroll to near the bottom of this document for 94-03 troubleshooting info for the 7.3: hard/no-start link
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 01:18 AM
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Im stealing Cody theory from other post....oil level?
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 06:44 AM
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Do you have the WTS? Check oil, batteries, fuses etc..
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 07:06 AM
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Try disconnecting the ICP sensor and see what kind of readings you get. And if it starts you scored an easy diagnosis.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 07:30 AM
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Oil level is good. and 2 weeks old. WTS light is good. unplugging icp sensor did not start it.

fuses were good.

We put a new motorcraft cps in. I keep a spare in both trucks.

Its not pumping high psi oil. I blocked off both lines and still no psi. The hpop reservoir is full and pukes when u spin with plug out. Oil psi on dash comes up when cranking.

I have 12 v to the ipr solenoid red wire. .2 v on the yellow wire. Measuring red to yellow gives me just shy of 12v.

I am going to remove the ipr solenoid today so i can check resistance on the coil.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 07:48 AM
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I'd say that you have it pretty much nailed down to it being the IPR, unless it's the HPOP, which rarely goes south.
 
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I am curious why the ICP duty cycle (IPR) in the log goes right to 50% during cranking, and not a gradual climb. From what I've read, that means the PCM is calling for max pressure from the HPOP (up to 3000psi). I don't have my truck to check these parameters.

Can someone post a graph of a normal startup during cranking, with ICP and ICP duty cycle?


What is the yellow wire voltage during cranking?
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 02:11 PM
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I was so sure that it was the ipr i bought one. Local dealer came close to what it would have costed at Riffraff. Their first price was $313. I measured the resistance on the new coil. 10 Ohms. Old coil was the same. I was not sure it would fix it but i went ahead and installed it. It had me scratching my head as there were no codes except the one i put in it when i unplugged the ipc sensor.


Truck cranked like normal with new IPR. Everything looks good on AE

Examining the old IPR, it looks as though it was a $200 oring set. Pictures attached.


 
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On the positive side, replace the o-rings and you now have a known good IPR.

Well done sir!
 
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That was my thoughts too. I have a couple things to order from Clay. I think they are different between the 2000 and 1995 if i remember correctly.
 
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Good outcome here - thanks for posting the results and AE info. Sounds like the PCM was telling the IPR to let the HPOP do it's thing, but with those orings shot, it could not do it? I wonder if you could have seen the gradual deterioration of the IPR orings with elevated ICP duty cycle readings over the last few months. Would AE have given you a heads up? Just thinking out loud.
 
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Great job on pragmatic troubleshooting. Some people would have replaced the injectors, HPOP, and 99 other components before stumbling on the right answer. Congrats!
 
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 07:27 PM
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I have been reading for a long time. I only know the last 14k miles of that truck so I have no idea what all has been done to it prior to that. It has been my son's FFA project. It looked as though someone had tried to keep it up though. If it had built psi with the hoses plugged, the cody test was my next place to go. I did have the little brain fart where i had both hoses plugged and then wondered why the 14 psi on the icp sensor went away (because the icp sensor is in the head and i took all of it away). I wonder why they ever went away from the JIC fittings like the OBS trucks have.

My son and his friend got to experience how hard a cps is when the oring hangs coming out. Told them to take their time and not break it off or it would be a lot more difficult. They changed it in hopes of getting it cranked in the parking lot.
 
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Riffraff IPR

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I was so sure that it was the ipr i bought one. Local dealer came close to what it would have costed at Riffraff. Their first price was $313. I measured the resistance on the new coil. 10 Ohms. Old coil was the same. I was not sure it would fix it but i went ahead and installed it. It had me scratching my head as there were no codes except the one i put in it when i unplugged the ipc sensor.


Truck cranked like normal with new IPR. Everything looks good on AE

Examining the old IPR, it looks as though it was a $200 oring set. Pictures attached.


did you get alliant IPR off riffraff site? I found one on the site for $230 shipping included. Dieselorings.com wants almost $400 for an IPR
 
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