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Old Mar 17, 2019 | 12:58 PM
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E4OD - Quick Questions

Good afternoon all, I'm installing different frictions and steels in my E4OD (Raybestos Stage-1 instead of Alto) and have a couple questions while I've got it apart.

1- Center support gasket. This is the gasket that's intended to go between the support hub and the actual support. My center support is the ball bearing type, and it does not have this gasket installed. Should I take the center support apart and install it, or will this mess something up?

2- Delayed reverse fix kit. Two years ago, I installed the Alto kit to decrease the delay into reverse by reducing clearances in the coast, reverse and direct clutch packs. Can this harm the clutch packs and create drag because of the tighter clearances? If this is the case, I'd rather leave it out. Delay into reverse wasn't too bad to begin with.

3- Shift timing. I have the Transgo Tugger reprogramming kit installed to firm up all the shifts, and it works wonderfully. However, I'd like it to be a little more eager to shift at lower RPMs (it shifts right away at full throttle, but I have to let off the gas and wait for it if I want to shift at half throttle.) Being that I have the inline 6, I prefer to keep my RPMs low. Is there any way to change this, or is it programmed into the computer?

4- Pan gasket. I have the old style pan with the raised ridges, so I can't use a rubber gasket. Should I use the cork gasket, or the brown "duraprene" gasket? Which one will seal better?

5- Direct clutch seal. The Transgo Tugger kit has a lathe cut outer piston seal to replace the original lip seal. What's the purpose of this? Is it better to run the 2 year old Transgo seal, or the brand new lip seal in my rebuild kit?

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Adam
 
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Old Mar 17, 2019 | 10:05 PM
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3- Shift timing. I have the Transgo Tugger reprogramming kit installed to firm up all the shifts, and it works wonderfully. However, I'd like it to be a little more eager to shift at lower RPMs (it shifts right away at full throttle, but I have to let off the gas and wait for it if I want to shift at half throttle.) Being that I have the inline 6, I prefer to keep my RPMs low. Is there any way to change this, or is it programmed into the computer?
It's programmed into the computer. There is nothing inside the trans that can change when the trans shifts.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2019 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
It's programmed into the computer. There is nothing inside the trans that can change when the trans shifts.
Thank you, Mark. I have another question for you - what does the "forward engage ctrl" valve do? This is the valve in the end of the smallest valve body. According to my valve body diagram from Transgo, this valve is supposed to have one spring on it. When I took it out to inspect it, I discovered two springs that don't match what's on my valve body diagram. Called Transgo tech support to ask about it, and was told that I could just remove the springs and put the valve back in with no springs at all. They said that this would decrease the delay when shifting into forward, without causing any unwanted side effects.

Could I have your opinion on this, please?

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Old Mar 19, 2019 | 01:30 PM
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Guessing that delays engagement for when going from rev and rolling backwards.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2019 | 07:03 PM
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Thank you, Mark. I have another question for you - what does the "forward engage ctrl" valve do? This is the valve in the end of the smallest valve body. According to my valve body diagram from Transgo, this valve is supposed to have one spring on it. When I took it out to inspect it, I discovered two springs that don't match what's on my valve body diagram. Called Transgo tech support to ask about it, and was told that I could just remove the springs and put the valve back in with no springs at all. They said that this would decrease the delay when shifting into forward, without causing any unwanted side effects.

Could I have your opinion on this, please?

Thanks!
It's used for controlling the speed of the drive engagement. I don't know about removing the springs. I have no experience with that.
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Guessing that delays engagement for when going from rev and rolling backwards.
No. The valve body doesn't know if the it's rolling backwards or not. It works on all drive engagements.
 
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It's used for controlling the speed of the drive engagement. I don't know about removing the springs. I have no experience with that.

No. The valve body doesn't know if the it's rolling backwards or not. It works on all drive engagements.
I get that the VB doesn't know if the vehicle is moving. What other reason would you need a delay? Comfort?
 
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Update: Trans is back in the truck with those springs left out. It does indeed go into drive faster than it did before, reverse comes in a little faster as well.

Question: My 3-4 shift doesn't have the nice solid "thud" into overdrive like it used to. What could cause this? The 1-2 shift also feels a little weird, almost like a double shift. It's not the T/C locking, that happens right after 2-3 like it's supposed to.

How long does it usually take for the PCM to relearn shift patterns after a rebuild? When I first pulled out onto the street, it crammed all the shifts in before 35 MPH. It's working much better now, but wondering if the PCM might be relearning still.
 
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How long does it usually take for the PCM to relearn shift patterns after a rebuild?
It takes forever plus one day. That's because there is no learning at all in the PCM. That didn't start until 1999 with the gas engine 4R100, and on the diesel side it didn't start until the 2003 5R110W.
 
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I get that the VB doesn't know if the vehicle is moving. What other reason would you need a delay? Comfort?
My guess would be the same as yours.So you don't get jarred every time you shift into D from park.
 
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Another issue. All the sources I've read say that the PCM locks the torque converter in 3rd and 4th, and that damage to the transmission will result if it's locked in 1st or 2nd. Mine locks in 2nd and has done so since I bought the truck. Is this okay, or is my transmission damaging itself?

My personal preference would be to lock it as soon as the vehicle gets moving in 1st, but I don't want to damage anything...
 
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damage to the transmission will result if it's locked in 1st or 2nd.
That is a false statement.
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My personal preference would be to lock it as soon as the vehicle gets moving in 1st, but I don't want to damage anything...
If you're at more than 3/4 pedal it should lock in all four forward gears.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2019 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
That is a false statement.

If you're at more than 3/4 pedal it should lock in all four forward gears.
Wow, glad to hear that. What's the lowest speed you'd recommend locking it at?
 
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About 1300 RPM, whatever speed that works out to.
 
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